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Re: Which parts are most needed/difficult to source [Re: Joe78] #1450648
29/09/2013 20:34
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I'm new to this board and Coupes in general.

However I do have a comment to make ... My last car was a Maserati Spyder Cambiocorsa and it needed a new clutch and F1 gearbox pump - that cost me £6K (yes $6000 or 3 coupes at current prices) from a Maserati dealer, at some point it was going to need new discs and pads.

Now through the Maserati forums I learned that the F1 gearbox pump was the same one that Alfa used in the the Alfa Selspeed gearbox and could still be sourced for 1/3 of the Maserati price and that the discs and pads on the Spyder were the same as used on the Ferrari 550 and could be sourced for 1/2 the price Maserati were asking. (yes really)

So surely when Fiat made the coupe they raided the corporate parts bin - surely the radiator wasn't designed new for the coupe ? bonnet pull handles weren't designed from new they were robbed from elsewhere ? I read somewhere that the rear lights on the Maser were sourced from a Mazda and mounted upside down. OK so body panels will be unique but I bet loads of common parts came from somewhere else.

Just a thought.

Re: Which parts are most needed/difficult to source [Re: Joe78] #1450682
30/09/2013 06:52
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JBT - What annoys me terribly is as Bockers says + the fact that we start a thread in an attempt to cover the problem and that we are then criticised on that actual thread for not doing anything about it!

First time I heard about those body panels as well. I would suggest to 'use them wisely' and not lend it to the first guy who comes round.


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Re: Which parts are most needed/difficult to source [Re: Joe78] #1450688
30/09/2013 08:27
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Air con seals (the little green ones) are hard to come by I think

Re: Which parts are most needed/difficult to source [Re: Joe78] #1450693
30/09/2013 09:01
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6-speed Gearboxes?

Re: Which parts are most needed/difficult to source [Re: Joe78] #1450722
30/09/2013 12:08
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On the subject of rubber boots for electrical connectors, check out this FAQ

And back on the subject of parts no longer supplied by Fiat, there are many items made originally by suppliers such as Valeo, and some googling can reveal the part numbers to unlock the "parts bin" information and source the parts, since many "application" lists do not include the Coupe, or the information is just wrong.

So for example, oil cooler = Valeo 816666 matches Fiat part numbers 7607190 (Marea, Tempra, Tipa, Dedra, Delta MkII) and 46469281 (16v/16vt) but no mention that it fits 20vt also!

Or 20vt A/C parts, the drier is Delphi TSP0175004 and the pressure switch Delphi TSP0435016, condenser is TSP0225001, etc.

And for the 20vt radiator also, you can find several alternative part numbers here and whilst some places show the Valeo item as unavailable, using an alternate part number, eg: FT2235 will come up with places selling them for £140. Whilst I can't guarantee that they really have any of course, it does show that you need to be a bit more creative when it comes to finding parts...


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Re: Which parts are most needed/difficult to source [Re: Joe78] #1450799
30/09/2013 19:50
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If anyone's worried about the integrity of original, spare body panels such as JBT's, it wouldn't be too much of an issue for them to be compiled as CAD data. I surface cars cars for a living at the highest level and its something I've considered doing before.

I would need access to these original panels, they would need to be scanned to give me a mesh of data points to work over and I could rebuild them as surface data to be stored should new, basic tools needed to be made. It's unlikely that you'd ever need too as you could take a splash off a good original coupe but if you wanted a full surface library, it could be prudent to have a data mesh at least.

It would probably cost 1k to scan the panels.


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Re: Which parts are most needed/difficult to source [Re: Countrycruising] #1450805
30/09/2013 20:09
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Originally Posted By: Countrycruising

Number plate light units
Rear bumper reflectors
New turbo heat shields, a stainless option would be great!
Front Grill
Coolant bottle
Under trays (Part number 46316194)
Bonnet pull handles
LE B-pillar badges
Chrome B-pillar Turbo badges

Bump smile


Also, this edited list above would be really easy for me to re-create all these parts from scan data and 3D print most of them, such as pillar badges, reflectors, grilles and bonnet pulls etc. The others would be easy to build, but more costly. Small parts would be pretty cheap though.


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Re: Which parts are most needed/difficult to source [Re: Joe78] #1450807
30/09/2013 20:37
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List updated

Fiat coupe mats with the 20v logo
*Number plate light units
Bonnet struts.
Standard cat back exhaust systems for the 20v and 16v models.
16v n/a thermostats
*Rear bumper reflectors
Bonnet cables
New turbo heat shields, a stainless option would be great!
Door seal
Boot seal
Front Grill
Coolant bottle
Interior carpets
*Throttle cable kit
*Gearstick bushes.
Handbrake cables, quality ones.
Under trays (Part number 46316194)
Bonnet pull handles
16vt & n/a ICV
16vt cam shaft sensor
*Water pipes for the 16v models
*16v n/a and turbo radiators
*20v n/a radiators
LE B-pillar badges
Chrome B-pillar Turbo badges
Stabiliser arm cast mount bush
20vt downpipe support brackets. Or just the bush
*Fuel tank straps
Radiator Supports (part number 46306520)
Drop Legs (part numbers 46304097 and 46304098)
Slam Panel (Part number 46317254 and 46317255)
Bonnet Sponges
Green aircon seals
*Gearboxes

Keep suggestions coming please.

I'm splitting them into groups according to how feasible it is we could have replica parts made, if they're already available, if they can be remanufactured etc and we'll eventually have links to where the various parts can be obtained.





Last edited by Joe78; 01/10/2013 17:50.
Re: Which parts are most needed/difficult to source [Re: Joe78] #1450822
30/09/2013 21:48
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Joe, can you tag the ones whose absence stops the car being drivable?


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Re: Which parts are most needed/difficult to source [Re: Joe78] #1450825
30/09/2013 22:27
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Just going back to the list ...
LE wheel caps please !

Re: Which parts are most needed/difficult to source [Re: barnacle] #1450940
01/10/2013 17:51
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Originally Posted By: barnacle
Joe, can you tag the ones whose absence stops the car being drivable?


Ok, I've added a * at the side of them.

I've excluded exhaust systems as aftermarket ones are available.

I've included rear reflectors, full tank straps etc as they're an mot fail.

Re: Which parts are most needed/difficult to source [Re: Joe78] #1471423
29/01/2014 16:10
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Really a shame to hear that Fiat has scrapped a lot of parts. Would have been much better to have had them sold to an independent parts mongler.

Anyhow, I think it would be helpful to publish the list of discontinued parts. That way, it would be easier for those of us who plan to keep the Coupe for the long run.

There should still be some parts around and it might be worth to invest in them before there are none left...

Re: Which parts are most needed/difficult to source [Re: Joe78] #1471426
29/01/2014 16:31
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Originally Posted By: Joe78
Originally Posted By: barnacle
Joe, can you tag the ones whose absence stops the car being drivable?


Ok, I've added a * at the side of them.

I've excluded exhaust systems as aftermarket ones are available.

I've included rear reflectors, full tank straps etc as they're an mot fail.


Looks like After market exhaust systems can be added to the list as well Joe.
I've tried buying some for the 20vt model and not had any luck anywhere.
Not every one wants a stainless pipe so for those folks I'm unsure how to help.

Re: Which parts are most needed/difficult to source [Re: Joe78] #1471462
29/01/2014 18:22
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Gear knob for all models
Replacement indicator cancel mechanism

Re: Which parts are most needed/difficult to source [Re: ] #1471486
29/01/2014 20:02
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Originally Posted By: patch234
Replacement indicator cancel mechanism


That might be something a 3-d printer could manage.


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Re: Which parts are most needed/difficult to source [Re: Joe78] #1471618
30/01/2014 15:10
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Blueflame no longer make exhausts for these

Re: Which parts are most needed/difficult to source [Re: Joe78] #1471668
30/01/2014 19:47
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I've been checking out suspension components and as the coupe and tipo share the same chassis components I figured parts would be interchangeable.

A quick parts search on ecp shows identical part numbers for front and rear dampers and top strut mounts and bearings.

Bearibg in mind the coupe puts out 220bhp and the 1.4 tipo 75bhp I was shocked to find the same dsmpers part numbers listed for both.
The part numbers are the same for kyb rears and Sachs fronts. Both gas.

Good savings can therefore be made when trying to avoid "rare coupe" tax.

Obviously fiat tipos are not exactly clogging up the streets.

Re: Which parts are most needed/difficult to source [Re: Joe78] #1471673
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Good find

Re: Which parts are most needed/difficult to source [Re: ] #1471687
30/01/2014 22:26
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Originally Posted By: patch234
Replacement indicator cancel mechanism


Plenty available last time I checked. 175 euro. Same part as Punto mk1.


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Re: Which parts are most needed/difficult to source [Re: Kayjey] #1471698
30/01/2014 23:36
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Originally Posted By: Kayjey
Originally Posted By: patch234
Replacement indicator cancel mechanism


Plenty available last time I checked. 175 euro. Same part as Punto mk1.


Part number? By any chance?

Re: Which parts are most needed/difficult to source [Re: Joe78] #1471719
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Re: Which parts are most needed/difficult to source [Re: Joe78] #1471737
31/01/2014 08:23
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Thanks Adam smile

Re: Which parts are most needed/difficult to source [Re: Joe78] #1471930
01/02/2014 13:11
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Patch, I can check my garage if they can still get them. PM me.


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