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External wastegates #1473977
12/02/2014 21:13
12/02/2014 21:13
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Anybody using an ext wastegate other than "tial" or "turbosmart"?
Was wondering if there is an alternative brand that is as reliable?

Nick



368bhp @ 1.5 bar
Re: External wastegates [Re: nick_d] #1473985
12/02/2014 21:47
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Have a look at Demon motorsprorts or Demon Tweeks.

They're not branded but they do offer different pressures with adjustable pre-loads.

Re: External wastegates [Re: nick_d] #1474614
17/02/2014 00:19
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Turbosmart all day long.

Re: External wastegates [Re: nick_d] #1474623
17/02/2014 01:38
17/02/2014 01:38
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A friend is using a tail at the moment and it is spot on but he has made sure it is using the cooling route unlike a Lot of people that run it without and then have issues.

He was using a different brand before it but can't remember what it was and he had no end of issues with it spiking etc.

I'd stick with the tried and tested because there's a reason why most use them

http://www.turbosmart.com.au/news/new-release-turbosmart-hp-wastegates

http://www.tialsport.com/index.php/tial-products/wastegates

Last edited by knight7660; 17/02/2014 01:39.

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Re: External wastegates [Re: nick_d] #1474650
17/02/2014 10:21
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I used Turbonetics ext-gate in the past, dont use it! i changed it to Tial 42

Re: External wastegates [Re: knight7660] #1474667
17/02/2014 12:01
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Originally Posted By: knight7660
A friend is using a tail at the moment and it is spot on but he has made sure it is using the cooling route unlike a Lot of people that run it without and then have issues.

I'm using the Tial 44mm without the water cooling and 2 years on is still fine.


Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
Re: External wastegates [Re: nick_d] #1474695
17/02/2014 13:46
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Water cooled wastegate? Wow I didn't even know they existed. Air cooled ones seem to work just fine. I think Saint on here originally used a 35mm Turbonetics.

Last edited by Scuderia; 17/02/2014 13:47.
Re: External wastegates [Re: nick_d] #1474700
17/02/2014 13:59
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Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
Re: External wastegates [Re: Begbie] #1474768
17/02/2014 17:59
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Originally Posted By: Begbie
Originally Posted By: knight7660
A friend is using a tail at the moment and it is spot on but he has made sure it is using the cooling route unlike a Lot of people that run it without and then have issues.

I'm using the Tial 44mm without the water cooling and 2 years on is still fine.



He said when he was having it mapped on the rollers to begin with when very hot it would mess about and then when he went to the ring last year same issue so he plumbed it into the coolant and he hasn't had anymore problems since.

Begbie have you got a screamer pipe setup or is it plumbed back I the down pipe


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Re: External wastegates [Re: Begbie] #1474827
17/02/2014 22:54
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Originally Posted By: Begbie


WOW I find it funny that they turn a design flaw into a selling point!! I bet 99% of people are taken in by this. The reason why they are water cooled is because the sealing materials used inside cannot take the heat, they leak / warp then fail, the water cool is an afterthought. The Turbosmart WG has better sealing technology hence no need for water cooling.

Re: External wastegates [Re: nick_d] #1474859
18/02/2014 09:04
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The compact Tial wastegates can suffer horribly without the water cooling. Once the temperature builds up, especially over a few sustained runs they leak boost badly with slower spool and often a sudden drop off.


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Re: External wastegates [Re: knight7660] #1474867
18/02/2014 10:06
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Originally Posted By: knight7660
Originally Posted By: Begbie
Originally Posted By: knight7660
A friend is using a tail at the moment and it is spot on but he has made sure it is using the cooling route unlike a Lot of people that run it without and then have issues.

I'm using the Tial 44mm without the water cooling and 2 years on is still fine.



He said when he was having it mapped on the rollers to begin with when very hot it would mess about and then when he went to the ring last year same issue so he plumbed it into the coolant and he hasn't had anymore problems since.

Begbie have you got a screamer pipe setup or is it plumbed back I the down pipe

It's plumbed back into the downpipe. I don't think I could take the noise of it being a screamer pipe.


Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
Re: External wastegates [Re: Begbie] #1474961
18/02/2014 18:47
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Think I'm going end up going for this one...

http://m.ebay.com/itm/201029352795

Any opinions?? Seems to be a very good price.... If it IS actually Precision! wink



368bhp @ 1.5 bar
Re: External wastegates [Re: nick_d] #1475041
19/02/2014 02:19
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^^ I use that same Precision PW39. Great wastegate, never missed a beat in however many years it's been on the car. Love the fact it comes with EVERYTHING too - all springs, fittings and weld-on flanges. So you don't pay the cost of the wastegate again in parts.


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