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Oscar Pistorious Trial #1477481
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I believe he should be sentenced to life behind bars, He killed an innocent beautiful person, Even if he mistook her for an intruder (that I highly doubt) then it's still murder,
I simply can't believe there's even a trial, what is there to think about?

Yu kill someone in cold blood, then expect to pay the ultimate price.

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Yeah, why bother with finding out the truth or looking at all the evidence. Just lock him up based on an opinion based on absolutely nothing.

Re: Oscar Pistorious Trial [Re: chrissy] #1477492
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He pulled the trigger on a gun and it killed his girlfriend, he's admitted that,.

Its only my opinion,

Re: Oscar Pistorious Trial [Re: chrissy] #1477494
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If he mistook her then it's man slaughter, surely?

Re: Oscar Pistorious Trial [Re: chrissy] #1477495
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It will be a debate that goes nowhere on here, Peoples views are all very different.

All I know is, If some hot headed boyfriend had killed my daughter regardless of a mistaken identity, I would want him behind bars, even more so having learned he has a gun under the bed, Regardless too of society in S Africa, it to me just isn't normal.

Pull the trigger - pay the price Mr big shot.

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I'm not suggesting that he won't be found guilty, or that he shouldn't be if the evidence presented warrants a guilty verdict.

What I do oppose is condemning a man before hearing his version of events and deciding, objectively, whether it's murder or not.

Unless you are involved in the case you have nothing but tabloid headlines on which to base your opinion.

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I hope you never do anything by accident Chrissy, could see you being blamed for something terrible that you didn't intend.

I know what you are saying and we'll probably never know truth, but being so far detached and reading what's in the media it's hard to tell. People have come out to be "witnesses" and if they are anything like some of those in famous cases in recent months over here their statements could be sensationalised.

Re: Oscar Pistorious Trial [Re: chrissy] #1477501
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Don't worry about me, Posting my opinion,

Try the other side of the bed tomorrow smile

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Re: Oscar Pistorious Trial [Re: chrissy] #1477502
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Originally Posted By: chrissy
It will be a debate that goes nowhere on here, Peoples views are all very different.

All I know is, If some hot headed boyfriend had killed my daughter regardless of a mistaken identity, I would want him behind bars, even more so having learned he has a gun under the bed, Regardless too of society in S Africa, it to me just isn't normal.

Pull the trigger - pay the price Mr big shot.


From what I've heard from friends who live there its perfectly normal.
A constant vulnerability is a daily occurance with people who will kill you for no reason what so ever.
Its so bad that if someone is ran over in the road,cars and trucks will continue to drive over the body than risk stopping to assist.

Added to the fact that he is disabled and has the increased celebrity status I think having a gun is necessary in that environment.

The press will only publicise witnesses claiming screams were heard before the event and not the ones thereafter when he realised what he had done.

If it was a genuine mistake then the poor chap will have life in prison mentally anyway.
If not then its down to the courts to decide what the circumstances were surrounding the murder and decide the punishment.

But yes if it was your own daughter regardless of being innocent or not you would want him imprisoned.

Re: Oscar Pistorious Trial [Re: chrissy] #1477503
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My brother is a judge. Perhaps we should make him redundant and rely on the opinions formed by what has been in the media?

On the other hand, a detailed knowledge of the law may be a little more useful.


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Re: Oscar Pistorious Trial [Re: chrissy] #1477506
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Pete, I doubt the case will be swayed either way by showing a link to this thread...

Its a debate. On a car forum.

Re: Oscar Pistorious Trial [Re: chrissy] #1477510
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It's only a debate if you are open to changing your opinion!

Re: Oscar Pistorious Trial [Re: chrissy] #1477511
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Re: Oscar Pistorious Trial [Re: chrissy] #1477512
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Originally Posted By: chrissy
I simply can't believe there's even a trial, what is there to think about?


Well I don't know how it works in SA, but in the UK there are incentives for entering a guilty plea early, up to a one third reduction in your sentence, I believe*.

So presumably he thinks there is enough** reasonable doubt that he can be found not guilty. Even if he thinks there's a 99% chance of being found guilty he's not short of a bob or two and would rather take the chance of getting off rather than spend the rest of his life in prison.

Can you honestly say that if it was you you'd say, "Fair cop, guv"?

* Not sure how this works for murder, which carries a mandatory life sentence.

** Or his lawyers can create enough


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Re: Oscar Pistorious Trial [Re: ali_hire] #1477514
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Originally Posted By: ali_hire
What I do oppose is condemning a man before hearing his version of events

I'm sure I've read something like that somewhere chinny


Does our law condemn a man without first hearing him to find out what he has been doing? (John 7:51)
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What I do oppose is condemning a man before hearing his version of events

I'm sure I've read something like that somewhere chinny


I've no idea where I got the inspiration! smile

Re: Oscar Pistorious Trial [Re: chrissy] #1477562
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No idea of the truth but I believe he comes across a bit spoilt and always seems to want to get his own way
I suspect he will be found guilty based on the evidence I have heard on the news, I also have no idea why anybody would want to make that sort of stuff up (evidence) unless he is an absolute arse to anybody who he deems to be beneath him! And if that is the case he probably fits the profile of someone who may do this sort of thing. He would also have the best lawyers money can buy! So totally twisting stuff and humiliating/badgering witnesses would be an option to him!
Just my opinion on it so far! Obviously could change as we go along!

Re: Oscar Pistorious Trial [Re: chrissy] #1477567
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Jesus, I hope they don't start banging people up for being an arse - I am not a fan of porridge!




Re: Oscar Pistorious Trial [Re: oxfordSteve] #1477570
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Jesus, I hope they don't start banging people up for being an arse - I am not a fan of porridge!


The forum would be empty!

Re: Oscar Pistorious Trial [Re: chrissy] #1477588
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Originally Posted By: chrissy
Even if he mistook her for an intruder (that I highly doubt) then it's still murder,


No, it's not. Homicide, which is the simple description of killing a person whether or not a crime is committed, is distinct from murder, the legal definition of the crime of killing a person. If he were to have shot and killed an intruder he would not have committed a crime.


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Re: Oscar Pistorious Trial [Re: chrissy] #1477591
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Unless it was deemed unreasonable force?

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SA law allows the use of deadly force to protect property, let alone the person ,even when pursuing thieves who have run off with your belongings, remember we are talking about the country which allows car alarms to deploy flamethrowers on either side of the vehicle to incinerate would be carjackers!


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Re: Oscar Pistorious Trial [Re: Azzura] #1477607
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I'd like to think if I woke up during the night and found Ms RK wasn't in bed, then heard someone in the bathroom, that I would realise it was probably her and not some homicidal maniac who deserved putting to sleep.


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Re: Oscar Pistorious Trial [Re: chrissy] #1477614
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Not followed this at all. Is there any suggestion of motive other than "intruder" i.e. was she having an affair, or some other misgiving?


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Re: Oscar Pistorious Trial [Re: chrissy] #1477618
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Without looking at many of the facts, my completely biased view is that, I suspect he did it following an argument with her, then felt very very guilty afterwards.

The fact that he shot her through the door makes me think he did it in a fit of rage, yet at the same time didn't want to look her in the eye when he did it.

The whole intruder thing just seems unlikely given that the number 1 thought if you hear a noise in the bathroom in the middle of the night.... is ...it's the Mrs.

Killing ones lover/parter/wife is one of the most common homicides.

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Originally Posted By: Gripped
Killing ones lover/parter/wife is one of the most common homicides.


That's rubbish, I've only killed two of my previous wives, compared with four tramps and a hooker.


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Originally Posted By: AndrewR
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Killing ones lover/parter/wife is one of the most common homicides.


That's rubbish, I've only killed two of my previous wives, compared with four tramps and a hooker.


That is just plain gready. You could have left some for me. I have 3 cubic meters of space to fill under my patio.

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Originally Posted By: Roadking
I'd like to think if I woke up during the night and found Ms RK wasn't in bed, then heard someone in the bathroom, that I would realise it was probably her and not some homicidal maniac who deserved putting to sleep.

I tried to apply the same logic to Mrs. Jimbob, but quickly realised there's really no distinction between the two.


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Latest revelation - he's fired a gun in anger before and at Police, hmm....

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