Yeah and my brother has just travelled from Yorkshire to Swansea to view and buy this car the seller described as 'mint' only to be met with a car that looks good on the outside (apart from lots of overspray) then you lift the bonnet and the front cross member looks like its been bodged on after a possible collision then the clutch slips in third gear which the seller then admits to knowing about. But offers £150 off the price for something that's going cost £400 to fix.

My advice is stay away from this car un less the seller reduces to about a grand. FCCUK probably wont like me saying this but I hope if stamps down on dishonest sellers like this trying to push poor cars through the site

The cars a true minter, I am devastated about the clutch... I don't drive it for speed so when your brother gave it the full beans in 3rd my heart sank when I heard it slip. As for the overspray... Absolute rubbish, collision damage... Absolute rubbish. Your brother admitted he knew nothing about cars and Its sounds like your backing him up with your post.

I know your brother travelled a way and there's a bad taste. But no need to slag off something you don't know about.

I dropped £300 from asking price. It's a shame, but if he's only after speed then the £900 route will be more suited for him. He was a nice chap shame he didn't bring these items up face to face so I could have educated him on what a true minter actually is.

I do know about cars hence me dealing with you previously. You on the other hand seem to think its fine to sell a car with known issues in the hope that theyre not noticed which is very bad practise imo. Last ill say on the matter anyway as its a difference of opinion where one is being honest and one not so

The car is fully truthful in the advert, only item being the clutch in which I found out about the same time as your brother. I does sound like you know what your taking about.

It's a shame you weren't here, if you were I have a feeling you'd be driving away with it for £2200 knowing what a great car you'd just bought. As for your brother... He says one thing to your face and by the sounds of it a load of rubbish behind my back. Ouch!

I was going put a deposit down on this a couple of weeks back ,gutted as it looks lovely

Certainly doesn't look bodged in the pictures. Get a 3rd party inspection, AA or specialist.

I don't like it when people or things are slagged off online where its difficult to get proper validation of the facts. This thread already seems to have put one person off viewing.

I also thought the overall impression was of a good well presented car.

If it was me selling I'd ask a local, trusted member to view the car and give their opinion here, would set the record straight. FWIW although pictures can hide things, the car looks great to me.

Wheres the vin tag??

Indeed. That area of the car looks odd with a missing VIN plate indicating a repair may have been carried out previously. VIN should be stamped on top of driver's side suspension turret, and if a FIAT UK supplied car, etched onto the front window (and last part of VIN etched onto side and rear windows). If the paint sticker is also missing from under front edge of bonnet (to left of catch) then again that might indicate a front end repair at some time, or even just a respray and not necessarily anything sinister. But if there was a repair and it was done properly, there should be no reason to leave off the VIN plate? Repair may have been carried out before current ownership and not recorded as Cat D or Cat C, so current owner may be blissfully unaware. As for overspray, it may not be in obvious places, check wheel arch liners, wheels/tyres, window seals, etc.

http://s794.photobucket.com/user/chris1990_01/library/

Link to my photo bucket showing some of the work carried out by father as all the work has. I've got more pictures I'll try to upload soon.

As for the vin tag. I'll as my father to find it and get a photo for me. The car doesn't live with me as I've moved away from home, hence the sale

I've got a recipe for about £1500 from country cruising coming from the previous owner. So he might remember it if you want to ask him about it.

Do we have a new celebrity chef in the house? Sorry could not resist.

Those photos would have helped to prove some previous history, but I find it strange, bizarre even, that Christian never mentioned the complete respray (although clearly not a "glass out" respray) and seemed to take offence at the suggestion that there was some overspray? There's plenty of overspray in evidence in the n/s/r wheel arch!

The more pictures the better when it comes to selling: the less effort you put in to the advert in terms of photos and details of past work etc., the less people will be interested, and the less money you will get for the car.

And rather than assuming any new owner wil ring CC to get details of previous work, list the details from the receipt yourself!

On this point, to be fair, it was mentioned in the original ad -




The other issues, however......

OK fair point, apologies for missing that, but if the odd pic of the respray had been included originally, I would not have missed it! Hopefully it's all a bit of a misunderstanding and with a bit more effort from the seller (and a missing VIN plate) what looks like a good Coupe will have a new home soon...

Sounds reasonable!

lol!! Thats what using a ipad does to you, it constantly thinks it knows better!

http://s794.photobucket.com/user/chris1990_01/profile/

Here we go lads, uploaded more pictures from last night... and if I can blow my own trumpet, what a lovely car I own!

Here's a few pictures proving the VIN Number and to prove that there is NO over-spray anyway....... At all! This car is starting to feel like a witch hunt now is its a bit silly.

The car is beautiful, No rust anywhere (wheel arches, etc), interior immaculate, oil pressure brilliant, Never been in a crash, No CAT A,B,C,D and so on and on!! No dodgy cross member!

You guys have followed the clueless poster from Yorkshire who knew nothing about a car except the acceleration pedal.

Anyway, if your interested come and see it. Also the 68 Dodge Charger you see in my photobucket account was also resprayed by my father(full nut and bolt resto acrried out by himself) and has wan countless shows, even national ones on its condition.

Clueless no. Show a picture of the overspray on the window rubbers. Show a picture of the scratch on the back bumper. Show a picture of the poorly fitted carpet on the passenger side door. Tell everyone about the wiper pump which didn't work. I won't continue but there's more to add to the list that I felt didn't class it as a mint car which it was advertised as. Secondly a drive all that way to find the clutch had gone and then offered 150 quid off an agreed price of 2350 was the final nail in the coffin when a new clutch would cost me around 400 quid. I'll leave it there and wish you good luck with the sale. Someone might like it but it wasn't for me.

Good luck

Interesting to see the last 3 service stamps from "DN Davies" which is not your local Fiat garage/specialist but instead appears to be a road freight forwarding company with none other than OP's father being a director (and for some reason, the OP's chosen "handle")

Come on Christian, we're happy to give honest opinions, but you've got to be honest with us! Show us the VIN tag!

Do you want me to give you the number of one his mechanics? Well hgv mechanics as that's his business... Road haulage. I trusted them to change the oil anyway ha ha

The vin number is stamped on the suspension turret and in the window. I've covered a few numbers so no one can steal it. If it was a plate, surely it then can be stolen and placed on another coop???

Do you think my bro got his mate to drive him from Hull to Swansea (570 mile round trip) for a laugh with the readies in his pocket? Or just to slag the car off? No he wanted to buy it, was really looking forward to getting another Coupe but was disappointed that a car that described as mint wasn't so.

The seller slags off my brother like he knows nothing but he knows enough that a mint car which isn't mint should be questioned. He didn't want to offend by being one those people who agrees a price then tries to haggle down over stuff so rang me instead with the issues that had been mentioned and I said £1800 tops and he said he wouldn't even pay that which im glad he did as the car has various 'unanswered questions' about it and isn't used which is not a good recipe for reliability imo

What answers haven't been answered? I wish he never came down to be honest, he's ruined a great car. Throw another chancer question out for me to answer. I go out with my camera now

Answer this post then or did you conveniently forget it?

Another issue with this seller. Hes one of those who buys a car for say £1000 then spends £2000 on it then thinks its worth £3000. He kept telling my bro it was worth £4000 all day long even when the clutch had started slipping. It doesn't work like that in this world mate so wake up!

I bought this coop in 2009 off a forum user called Jacob and paid £2500 for it. I said to your brother it's so sad how coupe prices are so low. Then I went on to say this car deserves to valued for £4500 and then le's and plus's should be worth £6500 to £7000. As the reputation of these vehicles deserves more.

Any other silly things he said?

Still ignoring the other post I see