12 dead and the 2 gunman are still at large.

Dumbfounded.

Both the by the stupidity of the satire magazine and the actions taken because of the satire.

This plus the almost Nazi style marches in Germany and the state of the Eurozone economy doesn't fill me with much hope for the future!

Dismal but predictable. Charlie Hebdo has never numbered subtlety among its merits and although one can only admire its brave commitment to unfettered press freedom, there are those out there who don't have the intellectual tools to deal with it. I just hope that the killers are caught and there are no reprisals that would further betray the magazine's ethos.

How brave...

Yes, the way to win hearts and minds is to kill anyone whose views differ from yours.

I just made the mistake of seeing this on YouTube........ He was one of the Policemen. Huge Sadness at this...... Hope they are caught

Cornered and slaughtered would suit me. And not beyond the bounds of the possible with the French.

I know this is probably going to be a "dialogue des sourds", but I can't help thinking that since these killers clearly put little value on human life, yet prize martyrdom, meeting bloody violence with bloody violence could just be playing into their hands.
More than ever, we need to retain what it is that makes us civilised and better humans than our attackers in a situation like this. I don't think one member of Charlie Hebdo's staff would regard the summary murder of their attackers as anything but a failure.

But I realise I may not hold a unanimous view...

Not unanimous but at least dual.

You give them their moment in court, but refuse to give them any reference to religion or to terrorism; just charge them with murder, attempted murder, conspiracy to... etc.

Make them mundane, not martyrs.

Alternatively give them their day in court where they can spout the same bile and appeal to the same sort of person they are/were. Make them part of the next generation recruiting team.

Putting them in court and making them "mundane" will not miraculously make everyone think that this is not the way to go. Do you believe that they will be dealt with in court without anyone getting to hear their doctrine?

Some decent footage of them screaming for their mums would have far more effect on the less than totally committed. Bit like not talking about ISIS will not deter anyone who believes from joining them. Whereas it would appear, actually joining them and watching your mates getting their just desserts can.

Jim, a laudable statement. But I think you might be surprised to find that there may be a good few of Hebdo's staff who have just survived an event which may cause them to revisit a few of their beliefs. I would guess very few looked at the bodies and thought "I do hope we treat these murdering scum with the consideration they failed to show my colleagues".

Incidentally totally at odds with the concept of freedom of speech, I do think if you taunt radicals, you invite radical action. I personally wouldn't poke a cobra with a stick. Not even if I've discussed the need not to over react with said serpent prior to poking it. Does that make the perpetrators victims of provocation?

I'm not surprised we differ, RK, and I'm thankful we are able to express our differences peacefully and without fear of reprisal. I don't think there has been any insurgency that has been successfully and fully eliminated by violence, unless that violence has been disproportionate, such as in Sri Lanka.
If possible recruits to Da'esh (a more fitting term for IS, in my opinion) see fighters being killed in battle, it will not dissuade them from joining; that is the insidious thing about radicalisation.
However, I don't think this attack has anything to Da'esh, but is more likely to be home-grown French terrorism. Charlie Hebdo has been a target before and those working for it were very well aware of the risks.

Its hard to be rational and reasonable with people operating on this level of stupidity.
What good does putting people in prison like this serve? rehabilitation?
Is that possible when the crimes are based in a deep seated way of life and religion.

I do believe there are few good reasons for the death penalty, but this may be one of them cases where the merits of keeping people around like this just don't exist.

Even leaving the moral implications of the death penalty on one side, from a practical perspective, creating martyrs is not and historically never has been a good idea when attempting to defeat an insurrection.
As for what good jail can do, well, it can demonstrate the rule of law in action. Surely, that is what we should be striving for?

Take a look out the window Jim....

When your talking about a for life sentence though, your still taking a life. Just very very slowly.

It's Stroud, RK, not Hereford...!

I must be outside the wrong window..

There's only cows and apple trees here in Hereford RK so you're definitely at the wrong window.

Be careful whose window you look into in Hereford. The SAS might not have a sense of humour.

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Please explain What i have seen on the BBC news was a peacefull march including lots of young families . How was it Nazi style ?

I think it was in reference to the anti immigration protests which were involved more right wing crowds.

You can't see the similarities between wanting rid of Jews from Europe and now Muslims from Europe? Seems quite a similar line, in my opinion.



As far as the gun men go, the best thing would be for the press to go silent the special forces to find them and make them disappear without further mention. No further attention to the actions or the cause. Allow the poor souls families to grieve in peace and hopefully learn a lesson.

Who were, curiously, vastly outnumbered at some of those rallies.........

Frankly i don't care about martyrs being created by killing them, i do care about living martyrs being paid for by my tax and spounting their radical rubbish to all who'll listen online/in jail/colonising whole wings in prison and imposing their religion on jail practices........kill them, kill all of them who do this sort of cowardly crap and use ever more painful and cruel means to do so - they might stop and listen one day

Coming to a place near you soon....

A little ironic to compare the PEGIDA marchers with Nazis when they're protesting against the fascist, imperialist, separatist element of Islam.

Also, the actual Nazis apparently didn't have a major problem with muslims, considering they formed 3 muslim SS divisions in the Balkans during WW2. This was no doubt partly due to them being smart enough to work out, unlike most western media outlets today, that Islam is not a race.

Those I've met always have had. I still wouldn't peer through their windows though.

I know it's a bit ironic - but it was aimed at Islam and hence all Muslims (or so it was reported and the translated placards said) and not just at the idiots.

Media is there to sensationalise and sell themselves doing so, Judaism is also not a race (although they were defined as such) so they were obviously a bit less intelligent than you're giving them credit for.

Proccy, the problem with that approach is that if you go around killing people willy-nilly, more will take their place; despite the best efforts of the Israelis, there appears to be a depressing number of youngsters prepared to join their cause. The answer to combatting radicalisation in prisons is not, strangely, the use of special forces.

MrsC suggested that the best response to today's attack would be for every newspaper and publication to publish a cartoon by one of the murdered artists on its front page tomorrow. That would truly show the futility of the extremists' actions.

I dont think that would make one bit of difference to any of these religious crackpots . Cartoons today something else tomorrow . One only has to look at the barbaric behavior meeted out to their fellow muslims in Syria and Iraq by ISIS .