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Re: Paris shooting......
[Re: bezzer]
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07/01/2015 13:58
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Dumbfounded.
Both the by the stupidity of the satire magazine and the actions taken because of the satire.
This plus the almost Nazi style marches in Germany and the state of the Eurozone economy doesn't fill me with much hope for the future!
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Re: Paris shooting......
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07/01/2015 14:04
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France 24 TV is showing amateur footage apparently of the gunmen firing outside the building, running over to a person lying on the pavement and shooting at them while shouting slogans before getting into a car and driving off. How brave...
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Re: Paris shooting......
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07/01/2015 14:37
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France 24 TV is showing amateur footage apparently of the gunmen firing outside the building, running over to a person lying on the pavement and shooting at them while shouting slogans before getting into a car and driving off. How brave... I just made the mistake of seeing this on YouTube........ He was one of the Policemen. Huge Sadness at this...... Hope they are caught
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Re: Paris shooting......
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07/01/2015 14:47
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Cornered and slaughtered would suit me. And not beyond the bounds of the possible with the French.
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"RK's way seems the most sensible to me". ali_hire 16 Dec 2010
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Re: Paris shooting......
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07/01/2015 15:00
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Cornered and slaughtered would suit me. And not beyond the bounds of the possible with the French. I know this is probably going to be a "dialogue des sourds", but I can't help thinking that since these killers clearly put little value on human life, yet prize martyrdom, meeting bloody violence with bloody violence could just be playing into their hands. More than ever, we need to retain what it is that makes us civilised and better humans than our attackers in a situation like this. I don't think one member of Charlie Hebdo's staff would regard the summary murder of their attackers as anything but a failure. But I realise I may not hold a unanimous view...
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Re: Paris shooting......
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07/01/2015 16:09
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Alternatively give them their day in court where they can spout the same bile and appeal to the same sort of person they are/were. Make them part of the next generation recruiting team. Putting them in court and making them "mundane" will not miraculously make everyone think that this is not the way to go. Do you believe that they will be dealt with in court without anyone getting to hear their doctrine? Some decent footage of them screaming for their mums would have far more effect on the less than totally committed. Bit like not talking about ISIS will not deter anyone who believes from joining them. Whereas it would appear, actually joining them and watching your mates getting their just desserts can.
"RK's way seems the most sensible to me". ali_hire 16 Dec 2010
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Re: Paris shooting......
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07/01/2015 16:41
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I don't think one member of Charlie Hebdo's staff would regard the summary murder of their attackers as anything but a failure.
Jim, a laudable statement. But I think you might be surprised to find that there may be a good few of Hebdo's staff who have just survived an event which may cause them to revisit a few of their beliefs. I would guess very few looked at the bodies and thought "I do hope we treat these murdering scum with the consideration they failed to show my colleagues". Incidentally totally at odds with the concept of freedom of speech, I do think if you taunt radicals, you invite radical action. I personally wouldn't poke a cobra with a stick. Not even if I've discussed the need not to over react with said serpent prior to poking it. Does that make the perpetrators victims of provocation?
"RK's way seems the most sensible to me". ali_hire 16 Dec 2010
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Re: Paris shooting......
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07/01/2015 16:54
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I'm not surprised we differ, RK, and I'm thankful we are able to express our differences peacefully and without fear of reprisal. I don't think there has been any insurgency that has been successfully and fully eliminated by violence, unless that violence has been disproportionate, such as in Sri Lanka. If possible recruits to Da'esh (a more fitting term for IS, in my opinion) see fighters being killed in battle, it will not dissuade them from joining; that is the insidious thing about radicalisation. However, I don't think this attack has anything to Da'esh, but is more likely to be home-grown French terrorism. Charlie Hebdo has been a target before and those working for it were very well aware of the risks.
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Re: Paris shooting......
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07/01/2015 16:59
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I'm not surprised we differ, RK, and I'm thankful we are able to express our differences peacefully and without fear of reprisal. Take a look out the window Jim....
"RK's way seems the most sensible to me". ali_hire 16 Dec 2010
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07/01/2015 18:06
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Dumbfounded.
Both the by the stupidity of the satire magazine and the actions taken because of the satire.
This plus the almost Nazi style marches in Germany and the state of the Eurozone economy doesn't fill me with much hope for the future! Please explain What i have seen on the BBC news was a peacefull march including lots of young families . How was it Nazi style ?
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Re: Paris shooting......
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Dumbfounded.
Both the by the stupidity of the satire magazine and the actions taken because of the satire.
This plus the almost Nazi style marches in Germany and the state of the Eurozone economy doesn't fill me with much hope for the future! Please explain What i have seen on the BBC news was a peacefull march including lots of young families . How was it Nazi style ? I think it was in reference to the anti immigration protests which were involved more right wing crowds.
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Re: Paris shooting......
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07/01/2015 18:41
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Dumbfounded.
Both the by the stupidity of the satire magazine and the actions taken because of the satire.
This plus the almost Nazi style marches in Germany and the state of the Eurozone economy doesn't fill me with much hope for the future! Please explain What i have seen on the BBC news was a peacefull march including lots of young families . How was it Nazi style ? You can't see the similarities between wanting rid of Jews from Europe and now Muslims from Europe? Seems quite a similar line, in my opinion. As far as the gun men go, the best thing would be for the press to go silent the special forces to find them and make them disappear without further mention. No further attention to the actions or the cause. Allow the poor souls families to grieve in peace and hopefully learn a lesson.
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Re: Paris shooting......
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07/01/2015 18:55
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Dumbfounded.
Both the by the stupidity of the satire magazine and the actions taken because of the satire.
This plus the almost Nazi style marches in Germany and the state of the Eurozone economy doesn't fill me with much hope for the future! Please explain What i have seen on the BBC news was a peacefull march including lots of young families . How was it Nazi style ? I think it was in reference to the anti immigration protests which were involved more right wing crowds. Who were, curiously, vastly outnumbered at some of those rallies......... Frankly i don't care about martyrs being created by killing them, i do care about living martyrs being paid for by my tax and spounting their radical rubbish to all who'll listen online/in jail/colonising whole wings in prison and imposing their religion on jail practices........kill them, kill all of them who do this sort of cowardly crap and use ever more painful and cruel means to do so - they might stop and listen one day
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Re: Paris shooting......
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07/01/2015 19:23
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Re: Paris shooting......
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07/01/2015 19:29
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A little ironic to compare the PEGIDA marchers with Nazis when they're protesting against the fascist, imperialist, separatist element of Islam.
Also, the actual Nazis apparently didn't have a major problem with muslims, considering they formed 3 muslim SS divisions in the Balkans during WW2. This was no doubt partly due to them being smart enough to work out, unlike most western media outlets today, that Islam is not a race.
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Re: Paris shooting......
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07/01/2015 19:40
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Be careful whose window you look into in Hereford. The SAS might not have a sense of humour. : Those I've met always have had. I still wouldn't peer through their windows though.
"RK's way seems the most sensible to me". ali_hire 16 Dec 2010
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Re: Paris shooting......
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07/01/2015 20:07
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A little ironic to compare the PEGIDA marchers with Nazis when they're protesting against the fascist, imperialist, separatist element of Islam.
Also, the actual Nazis apparently didn't have a major problem with muslims, considering they formed 3 muslim SS divisions in the Balkans during WW2. This was no doubt partly due to them being smart enough to work out, unlike most western media outlets today, that Islam is not a race. I know it's a bit ironic - but it was aimed at Islam and hence all Muslims (or so it was reported and the translated placards said) and not just at the idiots. Media is there to sensationalise and sell themselves doing so, Judaism is also not a race (although they were defined as such) so they were obviously a bit less intelligent than you're giving them credit for.
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Re: Paris shooting......
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07/01/2015 23:43
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Proccy, the problem with that approach is that if you go around killing people willy-nilly, more will take their place; despite the best efforts of the Israelis, there appears to be a depressing number of youngsters prepared to join their cause. The answer to combatting radicalisation in prisons is not, strangely, the use of special forces.
MrsC suggested that the best response to today's attack would be for every newspaper and publication to publish a cartoon by one of the murdered artists on its front page tomorrow. That would truly show the futility of the extremists' actions. I dont think that would make one bit of difference to any of these religious crackpots . Cartoons today something else tomorrow . One only has to look at the barbaric behavior meeted out to their fellow muslims in Syria and Iraq by ISIS .
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