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Re: Documented Engine Rebuild (by a novice) [Re: djmobi] #1532539
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Do you have an engine stand?


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Re: Documented Engine Rebuild (by a novice) [Re: djmobi] #1532540
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Originally Posted By: djmobi
Now I do have the space and an engine stand

That's what made me think he was serious, but hopefully it's an engine stand that won't fall over when trying to undo the crank nut wink

Edit for more tools required
- torque wrench(es) or even a dial gauge (since some bolts require a certain torque + a 90° turn for example)
- piston ring compressor
- valve grinding paste and stick with suction cups
- micrometer, feeler gauges, plastigauge
- shim tool (not sure if required) and selection of shims (if applicable for hydraulic tappets)

I learnt all I know on engines from doing the same on a rather smaller and simpler engine, can anyone guess what it is?

Last edited by DaveG; 02/04/2015 14:08. Reason: more tools

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Re: Documented Engine Rebuild (by a novice) [Re: djmobi] #1532543
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Yeah I have bought an engine stand, although I had no idea about the crank nut when I bought it so hopefully it will do the job


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Re: Documented Engine Rebuild (by a novice) [Re: djmobi] #1532544
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it can handle 450kg apparently and I figured the 20vt block at 200kg give or take


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Re: Documented Engine Rebuild (by a novice) [Re: djmobi] #1532548
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Its more a turning moment thing rather than static dead load capacity.

You may want to have the engine inverted when you try and get the crank pulley nut off.

Re: Documented Engine Rebuild (by a novice) [Re: djmobi] #1532553
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Special tools I have bought:

Engine Stand
Breaker Bar
Deep Impact Sockets
Piston Ring Compressor
Rubber/Plastic Mallet
Valve Spring Compressor
Valve Seal Remover
Piston Ring Pliers
Engine Cleaner
Nylon Engine Cleaning Brushes
Ribe Keys
Feeler Gauges
Gasket Scraper Set
Smaller Torque Wrench (My big one only goes down to 30nm)

I already have a pretty good set of general tools, sockets, ratchets, extenders, screw drivers, pliers cutters etc etc


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Re: Documented Engine Rebuild (by a novice) [Re: djmobi] #1532555
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Piston insertion tool? Springy circular thing that goes round the piston and compresses the rings so you can get it back in the block. Inexpensive, but makes life so much easier.


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Re: Documented Engine Rebuild (by a novice) [Re: djmobi] #1532562
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I've got one of those.....Piston Ring Compressor ive called it in the list. Probably the wrong name smile


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Re: Documented Engine Rebuild (by a novice) [Re: djmobi] #1532567
02/04/2015 16:18
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I missed it. Saw the ring pliers, reminded me of that.


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Re: Documented Engine Rebuild (by a novice) [Re: djmobi] #1532568
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Nope, piston ring compressor is correct, I had it in my edited list above, you may have missed it and other stuff like the valve grinding stuff, micrometer and shim related stuff.

If you want to be a pro, you could try and get some of the official Fiat tools that they list for the engine overhaul?

1840206000 Tool for removing counter-rotating shaft front bearing (use with 1840207814)
1850184000 Wrench for removing spark plugs
1852154000 Special wrench for bolts with hex-slotted head, for removing-refitting cylinder head
1852161000 Tool for removing timing variator on camshaft
1860183000 Tool for dismantling-refitting piston rings
1860395000 Drift for dismantling valve guides
1860454000 Drift for installing oil seals on valve guides
1860470000 Tool for supporting cylinder head
1080644020 Cage for dismantling valves (1998 20v)
1860700000 Sleeve for inserting pistons in cylinders
1860758000 Tool for dismantling oil filter
1860790000 Puller for split tapered collets, cups, springs and valves (use with 1860788000, 1860787000 and 1860786000)
1860812000 Drift for refitting valve guides
1860813000 Tool for fitting oil seal on valve guides
1860815000 Disc for rotating crankshaft
1860816000 Drift for fitting oil pump seal
1860817000 Tool for centring crankshaft cover
1860821000 Tool for dismantling - refitting small end bush (1998 20v)
1860822000 Tool for setting oil pump timing
1860824000 Tool for fitting oil seal on exhaust camshaft
1860831000 Wrench for handling camshaft pulley, exhaust side
1860834000 Wrench for dismantling oil sump
1860835000 Tool for removing oil seals on valve guides
1860840000 Cage for dismantling valves (1998 20v turbo)
1860844000 Tool for fitting oil seal on inlet camshaft
1860846000 Flywheel locking tool
1860892000 Tool for setting camshaft timing (1998 20v)
1860856000 Wrench for handling inlet camshaft pulley
1860895000 Tool for measuring TDC on 1st cylinder
1860942000 Tool for angle tightening to torque
1860951000 Tool for dismantling - refitting small end bush (1998 20v turbo)
1860962000 Tool for setting camshaft timing (1998 20v turbo)
1861001039 Engine support brackets
1890385000 Valve guide reamer
1895762000 Tool for checking auxiliary components tension
1895868000 Compression tester for checking valve leaks (use with tool 1860490000)


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Re: Documented Engine Rebuild (by a novice) [Re: djmobi] #1532574
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Jesus......I dont know what half that stuff is. Some of it does sound like specific things I might need.......If there is anything on there you think I might not have covered or wont be able to make do with what I have got...let me know.


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Re: Documented Engine Rebuild (by a novice) [Re: djmobi] #1536710
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I now have my engine which is a 80k mile perfectly working engine and gearbox. My workshop is set up and ready to go.

All the tools I need have turned up so I am pretty much ready to go. I realised the other day that I dont actually have a way of filming myself other than my phone which isnt ideal, so I might have to wait a short while before I can get hold of a decent camera and tri-pod, so I expect to start the re-build in the next couple of weeks.

The engine I have does not have a rocker cover, so that bit will be missed off the strip down videos, but I will be buying one and re-furbishing it for when the engine goes back together.

I'm excited, I've always wanted to re-build an engine. Again, any advice from the experts would be appreciated.


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Re: Documented Engine Rebuild (by a novice) [Re: djmobi] #1536712
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Advice:
  • Take your time!
  • Clean the outside first
  • Keep it clean
  • Take lots of photos


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Re: Documented Engine Rebuild (by a novice) [Re: djmobi] #1537005
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Make sure you keep the shells in the right order! Number them 1-6 and there are 2 THRUST washers on mains number 3 .
You need to lock the crank which is best done by lodging something between the case and one of the counterweights at the pulley end. Then you need a long bar and it's a reverse thread bolt so it will seem like your tightening it. It's torqued to 300NM so you might need someone to hold the block still. There is a proper tool for locking the crank and so be careful not to put too much load on the shells. It's best done with the main bearings tight.

When you remove the crank get a Machine shop to measure the crank journals to see if they are true .
If you are replacing the piston and rods get a oversize piston and get the block rebored and honed
Or if you are just replacing the rings hone the bores .

If you get stuck and need some info just give me a pm
Have fun dj

Re: Documented Engine Rebuild (by a novice) [Re: djmobi] #1537065
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Thanks for the advice.......this Crank nut is starting to cause me a little concern.


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Re: Documented Engine Rebuild (by a novice) [Re: djmobi] #1537067
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Originally Posted By: djmobi
Thanks for the advice.......this Crank nut is starting to cause me a little concern.


This isn't an issue with the right tools.

Leave the flywheel attached and lock it with one of these.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sealey-VSE2394...=item35e4e2aae5

Re: Documented Engine Rebuild (by a novice) [Re: djmobi] #1537105
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Or put some long bolts into the flywheel holes and get stick a long pry bar between them - then wedge the pry bar or get someone to hold it.

Re: Documented Engine Rebuild (by a novice) [Re: djmobi] #1537731
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Thanks CC.........tool is ordered


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