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Re: A new make of turbo: Kinugawa turbo build and test [Re: kj16v] #1546728
10/08/2015 14:30
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Do you know if there is a distributor of these turbos in EU?

Re: A new make of turbo: Kinugawa turbo build and test [Re: kj16v] #1546801
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I don't beleive there is. The turbos come straight from the manufacturer.

FYI, the former owner of Kinugawa has since split off and formed a new company called Mamba. I guess as a rival to his own former company! Mamba have an interesting range of ball bearing turbos with billet comp. wheels, which I'd love to get my hands on to test.

Re: A new make of turbo: Kinugawa turbo build and test [Re: kj16v] #1546803
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I will look into this. There is kamak/kinugawa distributor in Switzerland that I found PhD-racing.com

Re: A new make of turbo: Kinugawa turbo build and test [Re: kj16v] #1547107
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Ive got mine off ebay from japanese seller , turbo came from factory in taiwan . Fitted it a year ago /20k miles ago, still works perfectly

Re: A new make of turbo: Kinugawa turbo build and test [Re: kj16v] #1547112
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some are ok some are utter pants its just the luck of the draw i think, plus it also depends how much your asking of it.


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Re: A new make of turbo: Kinugawa turbo build and test [Re: kj16v] #1547117
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That's what I heard too. Some are good some a shite just like with any Chinese / Taiwanese turbos.

Re: A new make of turbo: Kinugawa turbo build and test [Re: kj16v] #1547119
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I know a couple of jap guys running cheap turbos and for the price there fine with it, they dont spool up as fast and there not pushing the top boost levels anyway but for the price spool etc ist an issue


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Re: A new make of turbo: Kinugawa turbo build and test [Re: kj16v] #1547234
16/08/2015 22:36
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Don't get Kinugawa mixed up with those Chinese "Ebay" turbos! Kinugawa actually did R&D with theirs. Whereas Chinaturbos are just cheap copies of Garret components, made from inferior materials. As far as I can ascertain all those Chinaturbos on Ebay come from a couple of factories and you can bulk buy them from Alibaba if you so wish!

I've been running my own Kinugawa at 1.6 bar for a couple of years of daily running and countless dyno pulls. The shaft still shows barely any play. IMO the materials are better quality than the Turbonetics I had previously. On the Turbonetics the centre- and turbine housings got a lot of surface rust within a few months. Whereas there's still no rust on the Kinugawa to date.

Re: A new make of turbo: Kinugawa turbo build and test [Re: kj16v] #1547258
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As good as they might be unfortunately the company name and logo does not do it any justice, looks and sounds like an inferior copy brand to me. (my opinion of course).

Re: A new make of turbo: Kinugawa turbo build and test [Re: ] #1547290
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Originally Posted By: TurboJ
As good as they might be unfortunately the company name and logo does not do it any justice, looks and sounds like an inferior copy brand to me. (my opinion of course).


So you don't like it just because it has a "Chinesee"-sounding" name? laugh

Re: A new make of turbo: Kinugawa turbo build and test [Re: kj16v] #1547545
20/08/2015 16:33
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After year and a half from installing the turbo I can say it's pretty good. I manage to achieve 390hp with it on stock internals and the car is running like that almost a year. The turbo has no play at all, no smoke.... A friend of mine is running his 20vT with td06 25g kinugawa turbo on 540hp 2.0l drag race car and also have no problems. Another friend with td05 20g 9 blade also has no problem and running 380hp on C20LET engine. My brother bought a TD06SL2 25G for it's Nissan silvia S14 and running a 450hp on 1.3 bar of boost and again no problems. For me this turbos are great for medium users! Excellent quality on low price.

Silivia Dino graph
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mshbg2ijv4awc7...f2b9-V.jpg?dl=0

My coupe graph
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3a3vx36wdxokv8i/Scan.jpg?dl=0

Re: A new make of turbo: Kinugawa turbo build and test [Re: kj16v] #1547572
20/08/2015 23:50
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I have a TD-05 in my 20vt and after fixing a leaking manifold achieved 492 Bhp and 377lb torque.

No problems yet

Re: A new make of turbo: Kinugawa turbo build and test [Re: kj16v] #1547640
21/08/2015 22:46
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Originally Posted By: kj16v

So you don't like it just because it has a "Chinesee"-sounding" name? laugh


Unfortunately brand naming is key in marketing. Rumour has it Microsoft skipped Windows 9 because the Japanese consider that number unlucky and would not sell well, silly but plausible.

Re: A new make of turbo: Kinugawa turbo build and test [Re: ] #1547645
22/08/2015 11:08
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Originally Posted By: Joro20VT
After year and a half from installing the turbo I can say it's pretty good. I manage to achieve 390hp with it on stock internals and the car is running like that almost a year. The turbo has no play at all, no smoke.... A friend of mine is running his 20vT with td06 25g kinugawa turbo on 540hp 2.0l drag race car and also have no problems. Another friend with td05 20g 9 blade also has no problem and running 380hp on C20LET engine. My brother bought a TD06SL2 25G for it's Nissan silvia S14 and running a 450hp on 1.3 bar of boost and again no problems. For me this turbos are great for medium users! Excellent quality on low price.

Silivia Dino graph
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mshbg2ijv4awc7...f2b9-V.jpg?dl=0

My coupe graph
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3a3vx36wdxokv8i/Scan.jpg?dl=0


Great result. But you didn't get 390. Only 388 wink
You hit max hp at 7336 rpm. At what rpm is the limiter set to?


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Re: A new make of turbo: Kinugawa turbo build and test [Re: Freddan72] #1547654
22/08/2015 15:14
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Yaah.. sorry. Only 388 wink The limiter is on 8000rpm. The dyno didn't read very correct the RPM's... don't know why. Yes the max HP are on the limiter. The car needs more boost but I am keeping this level becouse of the stock internals. I am planing to install a big valve head soon and will make another test on same preassure. I gues will hit 420hp smile

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Re: A new make of turbo: Kinugawa turbo build and test [Re: kj16v] #1547663
23/08/2015 09:25
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Joro, did you balance the engine before you changed the limiter?
Who remapped your engine?


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Re: A new make of turbo: Kinugawa turbo build and test [Re: Freddan72] #1547723
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Originally Posted By: Freddan72
Joro, did you balance the engine before you changed the limiter?
Who remapped your engine?


Hi, yes. The Engine was filly rebuild. The map is made from a local tuning shop ( Madness Motorsport ). They mapped all of my Friends 20VT's and everyone are pretty satisfied.

Here is one pull from 0-200km/h with awful start and diesel gearbox ( little out of engine efficiency in 3th gear)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYpjo1WQHU4

Re: A new make of turbo: Kinugawa turbo build and test [Re: ] #1547836
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Originally Posted By: Joro20VT
Originally Posted By: Freddan72
Joro, did you balance the engine before you changed the limiter?
Who remapped your engine?


Hi, yes. The Engine was filly rebuild. The map is made from a local tuning shop ( Madness Motorsport ). They mapped all of my Friends 20VT's and everyone are pretty satisfied.

Here is one pull from 0-200km/h with awful start and diesel gearbox ( little out of engine efficiency in 3th gear)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYpjo1WQHU4


I saw the Cv/Nm graph you posted before. Do you have a graph with boost pressure (bar) and lambda?


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Re: A new make of turbo: Kinugawa turbo build and test [Re: Freddan72] #1547837
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Originally Posted By: Freddan72
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Joro, did you balance the engine before you changed the limiter?
Who remapped your engine?


Hi, yes. The Engine was filly rebuild. The map is made from a local tuning shop ( Madness Motorsport ). They mapped all of my Friends 20VT's and everyone are pretty satisfied.

Here is one pull from 0-200km/h with awful start and diesel gearbox ( little out of engine efficiency in 3th gear)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYpjo1WQHU4


I saw the Cv/Nm graph you posted before. Do you have a graph with boost pressure (bar) and lambda?


Unfortunately no... The dyno lambda doesn't work and he mapped the car with installed AFR gauge on the car. The pressure is 1.63bars

Re: A new make of turbo: Kinugawa turbo build and test [Re: ] #1547843
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Originally Posted By: Joro20VT
Originally Posted By: Freddan72
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Originally Posted By: Freddan72
Joro, did you balance the engine before you changed the limiter?
Who remapped your engine?


Hi, yes. The Engine was filly rebuild. The map is made from a local tuning shop ( Madness Motorsport ). They mapped all of my Friends 20VT's and everyone are pretty satisfied.

Here is one pull from 0-200km/h with awful start and diesel gearbox ( little out of engine efficiency in 3th gear)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYpjo1WQHU4


I saw the Cv/Nm graph you posted before. Do you have a graph with boost pressure (bar) and lambda?


Unfortunately no... The dyno lambda doesn't work and he mapped the car with installed AFR gauge on the car. The pressure is 1.63bars

Which AFR gauge do you use?


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Re: A new make of turbo: Kinugawa turbo build and test [Re: Freddan72] #1547849
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AEM with Bosch LSU 4.2 sensor.

Re: A new make of turbo: Kinugawa turbo build and test [Re: ] #1547876
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Originally Posted By: Joro20VT
AEM with Bosch LSU 4.2 sensor.


I have that one too. I made a video. Click on the link in my signature. smile


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Re: A new make of turbo: Kinugawa turbo build and test [Re: kj16v] #1548169
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New info from my friend Punto mk2 2.0 20v turbo with Kinugawa td06 25g turbo. 507hp on the hubs with stock camshafts and 2.0 litre engine smile

P.S May be the most powerful 2.0 litre 20v turbo!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m9g9phuafv5w2av/11934518_1198537980171897_232385929344438474_o.jpg?dl=0

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Re: A new make of turbo: Kinugawa turbo build and test [Re: kj16v] #1548171
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Omg. I wouldnt want that in my car tongue super late spool. Must be like... wait, wait, wait even more. Then wroom, redline, shift. Is that it? I think thats a bad turbo choice. With GT3076R it all happens some 1.5k sooner. http://www.fiatcoupeclub.org/forum/imagepopup.php?image=http://www.torquestats.com/static/cars/modified/Flea/20/upload_274.jpg

Re: A new make of turbo: Kinugawa turbo build and test [Re: ] #1548173
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Originally Posted By: Joro20VT
May be the most powerful 2.0 litre 20v turbo!


No as Barbz made 520hp 440trq on his 2.0 litre 20v turbo

Re: A new make of turbo: Kinugawa turbo build and test [Re: ] #1548175
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Originally Posted By: Joro20VT
New info from my friend Punto mk2 2.0 20v turbo with Kinugawa td06 25g turbo. 507hp on the hubs with stock camshafts and 2.0 litre engine smile

P.S May be the most powerful 2.0 litre 20v turbo!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m9g9phuafv5w2av/11934518_1198537980171897_232385929344438474_o.jpg?dl=0


Hmm, everything does seem to be happening super late there. you got a shot of the boost chart from the same run?

Re: A new make of turbo: Kinugawa turbo build and test [Re: kj16v] #1548203
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It's all I have for now. The late spool is not a problem, because the car is made only for a drag event's. It's not a daily car. The guy bought colombo&barini fast road camshaft but will install them next drag season. I think they will help a little for a faster spool.

Re: A new make of turbo: Kinugawa turbo build and test [Re: ] #1548204
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Originally Posted By: nismo
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May be the most powerful 2.0 litre 20v turbo!


No as Barbz made 520hp 440trq on his 2.0 litre 20v turbo


In FC Dyno league Table I saw that he has a 2.4l engine?

Re: A new make of turbo: Kinugawa turbo build and test [Re: kj16v] #1548211
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That's a very old table and hasn't been updated for some time now (3 or 4 years) his last engine was a 2 litre

Re: A new make of turbo: Kinugawa turbo build and test [Re: kj16v] #1549725
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Does Kinugawa, Mamba or any other reliable turbo manufacturer have any type of Turbo that I could swap with my stock T3 Garrett?
Performance wise I am after equal amount of power and boost as the stock unit. If better, that's great, but I don't want to mount a FMIC or do major mods.

What type of Garrett could I mount instead of the T3 and has the above specs?

Any suggestions?

Thanks!

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