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Iím back fuel pump issue #1648161
24/01/2021 21:10
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Hello folks Iíd never thought Iíd be back on hear after being coupe free for 5 years , Iíve just brought a 16vt and thereís no power to fuel pump any ideas many thanks .

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Re: Iím back fuel pump issue [Re: Burbum123] #1648163
24/01/2021 21:31
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The ebay one?

That was on Facebook a few days prior for £800 ish with the advert stating the engine might well be knocking.

The original seller said Ďit sounded like it slipped a shellí when I chatted to him.

Re: Iím back fuel pump issue [Re: adam16vt] #1648165
24/01/2021 21:40
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Yes mate thatís the one who was the original owner ?

Re: Iím back fuel pump issue [Re: Burbum123] #1648166
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Some guy on Facebook. I only chatted to him briefly.

The potential engine issue was written in the Facebook advert so the guy you got it from was 100% aware.

There was no mention of it not running in the initial advert and the cynic in me would think the seller has removed a fuse/relay to prevent it being started

Re: Iím back fuel pump issue [Re: Burbum123] #1648168
24/01/2021 22:03
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Heís saying he will refund deposit apparently he got it started and itís fine , whatís average cost for a rebuild on the engine ?

Re: Iím back fuel pump issue [Re: Burbum123] #1648170
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Iím just relaying what the original advert said mate

Re: Iím back fuel pump issue [Re: Burbum123] #1648172
24/01/2021 22:27
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Iíll get it rebuilt and forged itís a project anyway

Re: Iím back fuel pump issue [Re: Burbum123] #1648193
25/01/2021 11:42
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I rebuilt the bottom and and the cams on a 16NA a year or three back and it wasn't cheap - though I don't know the exact costs. Grinding the bottom end if the crank is damaged involves re-nitriding, and the cams weren't cheap (check the lobes for wear). The good news is that mine was still giving 195psi (?) on the compression check (yours will be less as a turbo) so I didn't remove the head so no messing around with head gasket and valve regrind - though it did need the valves shimming to get the clearances right.

I did it all with Joe at FCSS.

With regard to your initial question: check that the inertia switch is pressed properly down (driver's right knee, on the door pillar) and that the two relays above the ECU (passenger footwell) and their associated fuses are present and correct.

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Re: Iím back fuel pump issue [Re: barnacle] #1648215
25/01/2021 20:45
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Thanks Neil I know it wonít be cheap but Iím keeping onto this one for sure so Itíll be worth it in the end .

Re: Iím back fuel pump issue [Re: Burbum123] #1648218
25/01/2021 21:30
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I would dare say you cannot get the camshafts anywhere for the 16v and 16vt anywhere ? Thatís my main concern as I know these are prone for the lobes to wear out .

Re: Iím back fuel pump issue [Re: Burbum123] #1648223
25/01/2021 23:43
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If you're rebuilding the engine with forged components, there's no point in going with standard camshafts. Get aftermarket ones, and afaik, they would be less prone to wear.

Re: Iím back fuel pump issue [Re: Burbum123] #1648224
25/01/2021 23:57
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I recall we had to scratch around to find them. I think I only needed one - there's an explanation and some pics of what I did in the projects pages.

I just found an unspecified camshaft on the bay which allegedly fits 16v, 16vt, 20v, 20vt, 1.8 16v... neat trick if you can do it. Matching the part numbers would be sensible though if you're tweaking you might want something with more lift on it? Specialist stuff there...

https://www.aecar.co.uk/ list 16v cams, as do Deltaparts https://deltaparts1.wordpress.com/deltaparts-shop/engine-parts-standard/ - I got a lot of bits from them but I think Joe found the camshaft somewhere.

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Re: Iím back fuel pump issue [Re: Burbum123] #1648231
26/01/2021 10:16
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If you do go for different cams, I'd personally steer away from C&B - link


Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
Re: Iím back fuel pump issue [Re: Burbum123] #1648250
26/01/2021 18:40
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Thankyou people got it today after a 7 hr round trip the first job is this :olook at the mess .

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Re: Iím back fuel pump issue [Re: Burbum123] #1648288
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She fired up .

Re: Iím back fuel pump issue [Re: Burbum123] #1648297
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What the hell is all that nonsense wiring and missile switches, former race car or former max power owner? Glad you got her running, hope the good luck continues!

Re: Iím back fuel pump issue [Re: Burbum123] #1648326
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Ok a little update I chopped all the nasty wiring out the car is now turning over from the key , no power to pump still the pump will run and start with a 12v supply .

Iíve check fuses and relays and nothing could this main one be at fault ? Or the yellow connector of death ? Do they have these on the 16vt ?

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Re: Iím back fuel pump issue [Re: Burbum123] #1648328
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Check that the inertia switch is pressed.

Re: Iím back fuel pump issue [Re: 386ka] #1648329
28/01/2021 19:21
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Done it mate

Re: Iím back fuel pump issue [Re: Burbum123] #1648330
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Or the yellow connector of death ? Do they have these on the 16vt ?


16VTs don't have the yellow connector of death.


16VT and X1/9 1500
Re: Iím back fuel pump issue [Re: PeteP] #1648331
28/01/2021 19:57
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Cheers Pete I thought this was the case thatís one less thing cheers .

Re: Iím back fuel pump issue [Re: Burbum123] #1648342
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But the inertia switch works on the ground side so if volts to the motor positive and chassis ground works, the switch is fine.


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Re: Iím back fuel pump issue [Re: barnacle] #1648344
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I couldnít fine the relays fuses above ecu Neil ? Could it be the big grey relay under bonnet ?

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Re: Iím back fuel pump issue [Re: Burbum123] #1648353
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Ach, I may be misremembering: all my reference stuff and the car are in storage in the UK. Perhaps I'm confusing with the 20vt?


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Re: Iím back fuel pump issue [Re: barnacle] #1648360
29/01/2021 13:22
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Deffo nothing up there Neil Iím thinking the main big relay
Under the bonnet ! But finding one is another matter .

Iím going to leave the big relay off and try and do it manual tonight if the car runs still Iím almost certain thatís the fault .

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Re: Iím back fuel pump issue [Re: Burbum123] #1648361
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I'm thinking that there were two separate cables running by the ECU, besides the big cable. If those are disconnected, the fuel pump will not run. Other than that, I'm out of ideas...

Re: Iím back fuel pump issue [Re: 386ka] #1648368
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All wires there are connected mate

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Re: Iím back fuel pump issue [Re: Burbum123] #1648377
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Can it be re wired from scratch easily ?

Re: Iím back fuel pump issue [Re: Burbum123] #1648398
30/01/2021 16:32
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Ok so looking at the manual no 1 is ecu
No 2 is relay
No3 is fuse

Any ideas where to get this big 40amp fuse from ?itís not blown but itís very corroded inside .

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Re: Iím back fuel pump issue [Re: Burbum123] #1648419
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The neutral on the pump is working fine I put a live to it and it primes all fuses are intact any suggestions please ?

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