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ULEZ means the end of my 20VT :( #1656286
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Hi there.
Ah, ULEZ - thanks mr mayor, what a nightmare. Bought my Coupe in 1999, owned it from new, only done 88K miles. But then moved 2 roads inside the new expanded ULEZ zone. Never go into London, but still need to travel out about 400m to get on the motorway. So literally now costs me £12.50 every time I start it up. Just wondered if anyone else was in the same boat?
Heartbreaking as it's been a really good friend over the years and is running beautifully. Shame there's a 3 month wait on getting access to the sales/wanted part of the forum - would be great to pass it onto a coupe enthusiast.




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Re: ULEZ means the end of my 20VT :( [Re: sleepur] #1656287
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sleepur you joined almost two years ago so all you have to do now is to apply as per here
and providing there are no issues you can start compiling an ad if you wish...


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Re: ULEZ means the end of my 20VT :( [Re: sleepur] #1656291
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Originally Posted by sleepur
Hi there.
Ah, ULEZ - thanks mr mayor, what a nightmare. Bought my Coupe in 1999, owned it from new, only done 88K miles. But then moved 2 roads inside the new expanded ULEZ zone. Never go into London, but still need to travel out about 400m to get on the motorway. So literally now costs me £12.50 every time I start it up. Just wondered if anyone else was in the same boat?
Heartbreaking as it's been a really good friend over the years and is running beautifully. Shame there's a 3 month wait on getting access to the sales/wanted part of the forum - would be great to pass it onto a coupe enthusiast.





I have two customers who are in the same boat so there Coupes haven't left their garages until they've come to terms selling might be the case.

As for you selling it I'd be interested as you've owned it since new, please give me a call or email, cheers, Joe.

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Re: ULEZ means the end of my 20VT :( [Re: sleepur] #1656399
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sleepur, your links have been moved to another section because, as you correctly point out, they are not allowed unless they are part of the agreed format as indicated in my post to above this one.

You have applied for seller's permission already so incorporate them into the ad when it's ready; you have plenty of good photos ready to post thumb



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Re: ULEZ means the end of my 20VT :( [Re: Edinburgh] #1656403
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Originally Posted by Edinburgh
sleepur, your links have been moved to another section because, as you correctly point out, they are not allowed unless they are part of the agreed format as indicated in my post to above this one.

You have applied for seller's permission already so incorporate them into the ad when it's ready; you have plenty of good photos ready to post thumb



Thanks Edinburgh, happy to comply.

Re: ULEZ means the end of my 20VT :( [Re: sleepur] #1656427
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Haha, the universe has spoken though.
Took it through the expensive car wash option last week, only to find it covered in Sahara dust this morning.

Re: ULEZ means the end of my 20VT :( [Re: sleepur] #1656660
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wow, that orange sahara sand got everywhere. i guess cos it's so fine it was basically dissolved in the rainwater. anybody else?
on the plus side, it's a good marker, and reveals that all my seals appear to be working well.

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Re: ULEZ means the end of my 20VT :( [Re: sleepur] #1656814
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They are expanding it again next year 2023 to cover everything inside the M25 . This will affect me as i live about 1.5 outside the current ULEZ on the A406 . I am pissed about this as my 20VT and 16VT will be affected also my Strada . My Fiat 131 is nearing completion this summer and will not be affected as its 43 years old tax free /mot free and ULEZ exempt .


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Re: ULEZ means the end of my 20VT :( [Re: sleepur] #1656823
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So you just have to keep the Coupes and Strada in hibernation for 10-15 years or so...


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Re: ULEZ means the end of my 20VT :( [Re: sleepur] #1656824
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Originally Posted by sleepur
wow, that orange sahara sand got everywhere. i guess cos it's so fine it was basically dissolved in the rainwater. anybody else?
on the plus side, it's a good marker, and reveals that all my seals appear to be working well.


We had this up here in Inverness shire. I was puzzled at first, the tyre tracks on the roads showed up in a way that I had never seen before. It took me a while to workout what it exactly was.


I'm an old git & happy with it,most of the time
Re: ULEZ means the end of my 20VT :( [Re: DaveG] #1657797
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Originally Posted by DaveG
So you just have to keep the Coupes and Strada in hibernation for 10-15 years or so...

Well i have other things on my mind like interest rate hike,recession,Covid19 ,another pandemic,monkey pox and the threat of Nuclear war . Looking forward to the day i drive my 131 ULEZ exempt into central London for free just to piss off the mayor . I will post a picture on his twitter account Strada has 6 years to go ,16VT has 15 years 20VT has 17 years to be ULEZ free .


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Re: ULEZ means the end of my 20VT :( [Re: sleepur] #1657968
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Same here, look forward to drive my 124 spider or Fulvia in central London.
Thought about hiring them out, cheap travel!

Re: ULEZ means the end of my 20VT :( [Re: sleepur] #1657969
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Could someone explain how this works; next year I'll be inside the ULEZ zone (hope not), if I drive within that area and avoid cameras. How would they know?

Re: ULEZ means the end of my 20VT :( [Re: sleepur] #1657988
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Yes most councils have cameras on nearly every street i know Redbridge does . They have vans in central London to catch people . Do the online consultation and try and stop this f£$ker https://haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/cleanair?tool=survey_tool . Its a disgrace this is even allowed when we will shortly be paying £10 per gallon of petrol . I paid £8.32 per gallon in tesco today .


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Re: ULEZ means the end of my 20VT :( [Re: Serg1] #1658011
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Originally Posted by Serg1
Could someone explain how this works; next year I'll be inside the ULEZ zone (hope not), if I drive within that area and avoid cameras. How would they know?

The previous ULEZ used to be a smaller zone. They then expanded it so that the boundary is now the North and South Circular. Although that was a 18x increase in area, they only needed to install an additional 750 cameras. That's cos they can use existing traffic cameras & ANPR technology to make a really accurate guess on whether you are driving your car in ULEZ zone. Drivers are already tracked by this tech more than they realise, and it only becomes apparent if a regulation gets broken and an ANPR catches you doing it. The new zone will just check an extra regulation - i.e. "is the car that drove just past me ULEZ compliant?"
They've done a pretty good job of enforcing the boundary near me. All the exits/entrances are covered by new cameras, and it's literally impossible to beat it. There are a couple of back roads I can drive down for 5 mins where there are no cameras, but the minute I venture onto the high street or major thoroughfare, there is an ANPR enabled camera ready to talk the ULEZ database.
I would imagine the new zone will be similar - i.e. The new boundary will be the M25, which already has high camera density around it. Crossing that boundary will be made even more watertight (& lucrative) with new cameras, major routes will be tightened up, and existing cameras/tech on other routes all co-ordinating. And mobile units that they will move around. There will be lots of back roads that likely aren't covered, but they won't let you know that. quote - "Cameras will be placed at every entry and exit point and at appropriate locations within the zone. Transport for London does not publish the locations of its cameras, as this would undermine their deterrent effect. Some of the cameras will be moveable and will be placed at different locations within the zone, ensuring effective operation of the scheme."
I've got no doubt they'll do a thorough job with it.

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Re: ULEZ means the end of my 20VT :( [Re: sleepur] #1658043
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My friend just bought a ULEZ exempt car the other day . He rang me to go with him and check the potential new purchase out . Its a South African Ford Escort 1976 MK2 1.6 automatic rust free . He loves it and he works for Ford


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Re: ULEZ means the end of my 20VT :( [Re: sleepur] #1658806
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Anyone doing work on coupe EV Conversion ?

Will be doing some research
I came across this on you tube https://m.youtube.com/user/crispydoda
https://www.evwest.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=220

My thoughts would be to do a conversation that’s reversible

Would it be advantageous to play with the coupe weight distribution as battery could be located front and rear ?

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Re: ULEZ means the end of my 20VT :( [Re: Edinburgh] #1658986
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Originally Posted by Edinburgh
sleepur, your links have been moved to another section because, as you correctly point out, they are not allowed unless they are part of the agreed format as indicated in my post to above this one.

You have applied for seller's permission already so incorporate them into the ad when it's ready; you have plenty of good photos ready to post thumb



I've finally got my ad ready to go :D, but now don't seem to have the permissions needed to post it in the new section for moderation.
Just wondered if there was anything else I needed to do.
Thanks in advance. (Have also messaged PeteP)


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Re: ULEZ means the end of my 20VT :( [Re: sleepur] #1658989
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Phil, Selling Rules have changed very recently as indicated in each relevant section. There are no blanket "Permissions" any more and every ad is accepted on an individual basis.

I've PM'd you in any case as there is an issue with your photo link.


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Re: ULEZ means the end of my 20VT :( [Re: sleepur] #1658996
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I have replied to Phil's PM, hopefully between us it will be sorted.


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Re: ULEZ means the end of my 20VT :( [Re: sleepur] #1658999
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Pete, happy for you to continue this fix (if you are) as my two penn'orth will just complicate matters!


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Re: ULEZ means the end of my 20VT :( [Re: sleepur] #1659001
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Can do Simon.


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Problem was with user permissions in that forum, now resolved.

Thanks for flagging it up Phil.


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Re: ULEZ means the end of my 20VT :( [Re: PeteP] #1659034
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This is going to affect me when it expands. I don't want to get rid, so I wonder if there may be a slim chance of a solution.

Stilo Abarth's are ULEZ compliant. G/km emissions are around the same as our coupes as I understand it. There is a place in Bow that can test the full compliance of a vehicle and upload the results to the ULEZ database to prove compliance. They are doing it for motorbikes (maybe they can only check them) as most are OK, but not according to the ULEZ checker. A lot of bikes were getting scrapped, unfairly.

Is it worth us testing a car to see what the NOx really is, as that's all they are bothered about? rolleyes

Can Joe shed any light on this and the differences with the 2.4 engine?

Here's the link - https://www.bikerandbike.co.uk/how-to-get-a-motorcycle-emissions-test-and-beat-the-ulez-charge/

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Re: ULEZ means the end of my 20VT :( [Re: 1st_things_1st] #1659041
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Good post but seems no tester approved for pre 2004 vehicles at the moment see faq here https://energysavingtrust.org.uk/service/clean-vehicle-retrofit-accreditation-scheme/

also this link https://assets.publishing.service.g...dards-for-road-vehicles-19th-edition.pdf

Originally Posted by 1st_things_1st
This is going to affect me when it expands. I don't want to get rid, so I wonder if there may be a slim chance of a solution.

Stilo Abarth's are ULEZ compliant. G/km emissions are around the same as our coupes as I understand it. There is a place in Bow that can test the full compliance of a vehicle and upload the results to the ULEZ database to prove compliance. They are doing it for motorbikes (maybe they can only check them) as most are OK, but not according to the ULEZ checker. A lot of bikes were getting scrapped, unfairly.

Is it worth us testing a car to see what the NOx really is, as that's all they are bothered about? rolleyes

Can Joe shed any light on this and the differences with the 2.4 engine?

Here's the link - https://www.bikerandbike.co.uk/how-to-get-a-motorcycle-emissions-test-and-beat-the-ulez-charge/


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No bike MOT pollution check so they are simply richening up the mixture, reducing the NOx, testing and registering the figure on the gov website. Never mind the other pollution figures...

A simple dodge with carbs or Alpha-N/MAP FI systems. If they implement an MOT for bikes that covers emissions they would come unstuck.

The only way round this for cars that require a pollution check at MOT is a FI system using an O2 sensor rather than a Lambda sensor


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Re: ULEZ means the end of my 20VT :( [Re: sleepur] #1659127
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Sorry for being thick, but for us foreign types - whats ULEZ?


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Re: ULEZ means the end of my 20VT :( [Re: paulw] #1659128
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Originally Posted by paulw
Sorry for being thick, but for us foreign types - whats ULEZ?


Ultra Low Emission Zone, being rolled out in this case in London but spreading elsewhere.


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Is there hope ?

From this website https://energysavingtrust.org.uk/service/clean-vehicle-retrofit-accreditation-scheme/

Can I replace the engine in my car to become CAZ, LEZ or ULEZ compliant (engine re-power)?

This is possible, however there are no CVRAS approved re-powers for cars. This kind of conversion would be a DVLA notifiable modification in terms of engine number and engine capacity, but it would not lead to a change in emission values as stated on the vehicle’s V5C document (logbook) unless an expensive full rolling road emissions test is conducted to obtain the new emission values. This test would need to be conducted at a Vehicle Certification Agency (VCA) approved test facility and cannot be conducted at an MOT test centre.

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Re: ULEZ means the end of my 20VT :( [Re: Edinburgh] #1659149
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Originally Posted by Edinburgh
Originally Posted by paulw
Sorry for being thick, but for us foreign types - whats ULEZ?


Ultra Low Emission Zone, being rolled out in this case in London but spreading elsewhere.


Ah, thanks, should have realised, but not something we are likely to see here in rural France. Not many vehicles and from what there are, an awful lot of them would never comply. French country folk hang on to their cars until they just stop working!


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