I am thinking about getting bigger injectors. Looking at the RC Injectors worksheet, that says I should get injectors of over 650cc for power figures over 400bhp. Does this sound correct?

I have no idea what type of injectors I should be looking for, so any advice would be gratefully accepted. Once my Engine and Turbo are rebuilt, I'll be hoping for around 400 - 450 Bhp. I originally thought that 440cc's would be OK but not so sure now.

Given the current strength of the pound, buying injectors from US companies like RC seems like a good option. If other people are interested in injectors, I could open a trade account and organise a group buy.

I’m not a great believer in that calculation sheet. For instance, if you put in the standard figures for the 20VT, it says the standard 330cc injectors would need to run at 90% duty to get 220bhp. That’s not right.....

Anyway, Flea AFAIK runs 440cc so you should still be ok with them for 400-and-a-bit bhp.

I emailed barbz the other day about this and he said they were £75 each! didn't actually give me the specs though but guessing they will be the 440cc ones!

You're very unlikely to be able to go over 440cc/min and retain the standard ECU. as I recall it required more than a days worth of work to get flea's running right on 440cc/min and he has problems with fuelling in 5th (unless he has had that resolved since). It's pretty much fair to say it is a limiting factor as PT only change the data in the maps not the code and so they can only go so far.

john, What are your thoughts on the 384cc injectors from the 16VT? Nigel seems to have no problems with them. I know they are old technology, but is it worth using them?

What about using the 16VT with a 3.8bar FPR?

I have been trying to talk to Rob at PT all week but he's always too busy. I don't want to go to the hassle and expense of another ECU so I'm still undecided on what to do.

I have no idea how close Nigel is to maxing out his 16VT injectors but I know Fergie is having to move up to 440’s as he’s maxed his 16VT’s. He’s aiming for a similar sort of power figure as you are.

My 384cc are close to the limit, but there's still some more to come, especially if I use an adjustable FPR

I think a 3.8bar FPR would be too much, considering I'm running as much as 1.6 bar already, maybe 1.8 bar when remapped - total fuel pressure would therefore be 5.6 bar, which is excessive.

I'm considering 440s for my remap - at least Flea has suffered all the pain of getting a map sorted - should be able to use his maps with some tweaks

Why even think about 16vt injectors when there are much better compatible injectors out there. Don't forget unless you buy new they will be 10-12 years old. How many people on here have ever changed their fuel filter regularly in their 7+ year old coupe? I do but I bet I'm in a minority. So all sorts of cr*p will have probably gone through the injectors and no amount of cleaning will get them back to brand new flow.

I'll add more later but I don't think many people would want to go through what I have, spend the money I have and put up with ongoing problems. If I had the choice to do it again knowing what I do now... I wouldn't.

I am planning on using 16VT injectors but not ones from the 16VT (if that makes sense). I’m Just looking for a modern injector which is 384cc - 420cc. I didn't want to go down the 440cc as that is overkill for my spec but I don't want to run a duty cycle of above 85% and any more than 3Bar fuel pressure. Wheat injectors would you guys recommend that I use as I want to buy brand new injectors before the live mapping?

P.S. I found this site: http://www.fiveomotorsport.com/

Have a word with Barbz I think he can source some Bosch ones. The main things you need are high impedance (12-16 ohms) and a bosch type fitment. If it isn't a split pattern injector then you need to try to centre it as much as possible (the split pattern injectors have a special lump that holds them at the correct orientation)

Again im shocked at how people are having injector woes. Now i know that the big boys need more fuelling. But i have plenty of fuelling on stnd injectors for 335bhp and if my power figures are working out ok, i could probably have enough for 350bhp with still running rich.

Ross

fccuk off you ... you don't know what it's like to run lean

That maybe true but then you will be running 3.8Bar reg and the duty cycle will be in the 90+ mark which is what I don't want. It may work fine but i feel its pushing them too far.

@ John what cc injectors would you go for aiming at 380BHP MAX and keeping the reg to 3Bar?

400cc/min but WHY do you want a 3 bar FPR? Fuel atomises better at higher pressures so as long as the injectors are able to continue to provide a consistent flow at the higher pressure then its all good. I wouldn't go above 4 bar base pressure though just because depending on which Walbro 255lph pump you have you might start to get near to the capacity of that.

What spray pattern would be the best for the 20VT? Could you rearrange these into order of your preference?

1) 21 Degrees Twin
2) 3-Prong Cone
3) Split 20 Degrees 65% of delivery within 10 degrees
4) 4 Degree Pencil
5) Tri-Cone
6) Cone

don't know if it's of any help, but a few Greek 20vts are running 500cc and one is recently running 750cc injectors (managed 380bhp @0.9bar on the club dyno day last week with a half done program. OK it was a 2.4 conversion )

Have a look at the siemens deka injectors V.CHEAP from the states (probably be around 200euro for 5 of them for you guys)

V.

Vas, are the people with those big injectors still running with the standard Bosch ECU? If so, have they had any problems mapping them?

What injectors are you running with? Any problems?

That sounds very cheap for the Siemens deka injectors, where did they get them from?

i can sense another group buy

Squid, yes they're running standard Bosch ECU. Don't know much else other than two guys Dimitriadis & Papailias (both in Athens) are programming them. Don't know what tools they use, or how, just seen the results.

Regarding the Siemens Deka injectors I bought them new here:
http://www.sprayitracing.com/60lb%20Seimens%20Deka%20EV6%20Style%20High%20Impedance.htm
check out the price
And yes they were new (didn't believe it at first!) guy responded on my mails quickly, so I can definitely recommend them.

I'm on the Marelli ECU (16vt) and the only problems I had were a split vacuum that *I thought* was causing my crap idle, sorted it, car is idling fine

V.

You were reading my mind Mark! I can think of at least 6 people who would be very interested. Time for another trade account, I think....

before you start buying injectors, make sure that whoever is going to map them can get them running OK. I'm just reporting on what's happening with the Greek guys and that for sure the Siemens deka work on my 16vt, that's all!

V.

Vas, thanks for that. I realise the mapping is the most important part of the equation. I'm going to talk to the mapping company about this tomorrow.

I was looking at injectors the other day, stumbled across this place which has a fairly wide selection:

http://www.racetronix.com/

I also stumbled across racetronix but am undecided on which ones to buy for me:

http://www.racetronix.com/01D114x.html

http://www.racetronix.com/621010.html

http://www.racetronix.com/0280150967.html

Fiat's Data book says that the standard injectors’ forms two cones of 10˚ with an overall of 22˚ this is so that half of the fuel can go down one inlet port and the other half can go down the other port. Ideally I would what to stick to this spray pattern as close as possible. The only injector that resembles this pattern is discontinued:
http://www.racetronix.com/621010.html

What do you think I should choose now? Comments?

for 400 ps, 650cc should do the job perfectly on OEM fuel pump.

Anything more, you'll need to go for 9oo - 1.ooo cc just to be sure

Not sure where you've got your data, but its seriously inaccurate

I'm running over 400 bhp on 384cc injectors, with a 255 l/h pump

I'm not convinced that the OEM pump could ever allow 400bhp, as regardless of the injector size, it just can't deliver enough fuel to the rail.

Nigel,

should also mention the fpr you're using, I assume it's the 3.8bar not the stock 3.0 bar, right?

V.

Nope - I'm on 3 bar

stock pump starts to cut out below 310 real BHP.

JohnS can you suggest a spray pattern please?

This is for a 16vt not a 20vt

the split 20 degrees with each within 10 deg of that sounds right but I'm not sure I understand the description. Ask Flea also - I think he may have looked at a few suppliers of injectors.

huh. that's the first time I heard of somebody driving more than 330ps on OEM injectors. Maybe if you have a 20vt.
A friedn of mine drove 330 ps setup on OEM injectors and OEM pump and at 6.000 rpm injectors were almost on 100% cycle !

Pump supplys fuel with 3,5 bar pressure and with my 650cc injectors it will do just fine for 450 PS. On 7.000 rpm injectors will be on almost 100% cycle.

yes begbie, i'm talking about 16vt engine.

So say I wanted to run 1.5Bar - i'd need a 3.5Bar FPR then if I were to keep standard injectors?

Something like this perhaps?
http://www.genuinesaab.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=47_53&products_id=203

Hi,

Just to comment on the fuel pressure. I've tested on flow racks and guess what, higher pressure does give you a finer spray (finer fuel particle), so this should give you a better fuel economy. However, if you go beyond the recommended working pressure of the injector(varies from injector to injector), it just stop all together as the fuel pressure pressing down the pintle is way too great for the energized solenoid-pintle to over come. Furthermore, another problem is that if you increase the pressure higher than recommended, this would mean that you will need to increase the pulse width or duty cycle at higher revs as the injector reacts slower (with the higher fuel pressure holding the pintle shut) versus when it's working under the normal fuel pressure. With that said, it is best to see how injectors perform under the intended fuel pressure, rather than assuming that higher is better

Have a look at http://www.precisionturbo.net/
Strongly recommended

A friend of mine is a Bosch agent. He also sells Walbro etc. I was going to buy a Walbro 255 but he says they are not recommended for high pressure. They have a pressure relief valve at around 60 psi and they wont flow anywhere near their raited output at pressures close to 60psi anyway. There maybe some exceptions but he said pretty much all internal pumps are similar, they dont like high pressure.

IIRC, the pressure relieve valve of the oe pump work at 7.5 bar. For those using uprated fuel pump and FPR, it's best to have the fueling on the RR as the FPR is a manifold reference type, so if you are using a 4 Bar FPR and a boost level of 1.5 BAR, this means the actual pressure at the fuel rail is 4+1.5= 5.5 BAR!!! So, if, like what Scruderia said, that some of the fuel pumps are not designed to work under high pressure, then you better off with the standard pump. Let's not forget that 140L/hr means 2333cc/min with the oe pump and that a phased sequential injection means that at best, only 2-3 injectors will be firing together at any one point. And if the OE injectors are rated at 330cc/min, you've got more than enough for a little more squirt. Having said that however, if the pump is old and the supplied voltage drops, then that's a different story.

Nigel, wouldn't your performance head mean u need less fuel to make more power?

i can get Bosch 0280150558 Green Top fuel injectors 440cc for coupe 20v turbo 35pound per piece incuding delievery.I got other size to and i can get very cheap.I have siemens,bosch,rc,delphi and more.ready stock.tq

This is why you don't just need a walbro 255lph but you need the high pressure one as well

Hi you guys,

I was reading about the Siemens Deka that suppose to spray better (300kPa) and with a better atomization fuel we would have sort of economy and some more power with a right air-intake and mapped ECU.

My question is:
would the Bosch ECU (my car is a Marea 20v not turbo) support 12,5 ohms since the original Bosch injector is 15,9?
They fit normally? Plug & play?
Was reading your forum for a while and found really nice.

Diego

Diego,

I'm running Siemens DEKA injectors without any problems on my 16VT. Considering that 16VT-20VT injectors are interchangeable it is safe to assume that the DEKA will work on your ECU.

V.

Thanks a lot Vas,

I really apreciate
Diego

forgot to ask wich one you' re using Vas....

To my purpose (not turbo)I was thinking of this one:
330cc - Mini S
Stock replacement part
Siemens Deka 1521390
2002-2005 Mini S

Any other place I can found it beside here?
http://www.fiveomotorsport.com/Injector_SetsMODS.asp

I guess this would be oversizes....... or not?
http://www.racetronix.com/M145FM.html

difficult to find on the Net and nearly impossible here in Brazil

Well just found out that the Mini injector wont fit .....too short

I just bought 5 Bosch 440cc injectors from sprayitracing.com , but before i asked for the pressure and spray pattern, and they are rated at 3 bar (but can take up to 7 bar) and 10 degree spray angle on each side = total 20 degrees - like JohnS said it should be.
I had it shipped from the US to Denmark, and it only took about 3 days! So excellent service, no worries there...

sorry,

just logged on, yep I used sprayitracing.com, fast communication, excellent service, injectors were in Greece in 4days, so I'd definitely recommend them!
Bl@@dy cheap as well

V.

Spoke to PT today about injectors and they said that I need about 384cc injectors with a 3.8Bar FPR. I have narrowed the choice down to three injectors which one do you think I should go for? Also consider the spray pattern.

1) 389cc/min http://www.racetronix.com/01D114x.html

2) 391cc/min http://www.racetronix.com/621037.html

3) 380cc/min http://www.sprayitracing.com/36lb%20Lucas%20High%20Impedance.htm

or get them s/h off a 16vt...

Or you could try these -
Genesis twin spay injectors They are $68.75 for a set of 4, so 5 sets and we can do 4 coupe engines. Works out at around £45 for a set.

That's per injector Squid

just look at the workshop manual and figure out which spray pattern matches the standard pattern the best, or ask them if they have any technical know-how.

The risk with the wrong angle is that you end up spraying the wall of the cylinder head or the port divider which will lose you power. For me I have to accept that as I would rather lose 20BHP (which I probably am doing) and have injectors that can support a low frequency for idle than have ones at the right angle that mean the car runs lumpily at low rpm, but you don't have that problem....!

Message from http://www.usrallyteam.com

"J, we have the injector you're looking for, but I can only sell them in sets of 4.

The alternative is a Siemens 380cc which has the exact
dimensions you've shared. Instead of firing 2x cones it delivers a single wide one. We use these most often in the VW/Audi 1.8T engines. They also came from the
factory with injectors that spray twin cones. Actually, that's not completely true as the original 1.8T used a single wide cone and the later models had the twin spray.

Anyway, the point is that we can supply the Siemens. If you're interested to go in that direction, please let me know."

@ JohnS
I have read the info on that data book and its says “two splits of 10 degrees” but I am unsure if this description matches that: http://www.racetronix.com/621037.html

Which ones do you think I should get?

Flea, It sounds like per set to me!
"Genesis injector set for all 16v and 1.8T engines"

J, I would say go for the twin spray type. I need a set as well, so if we buy 5 sets we just have to find two other takers for the remaining 10 injectors.

yeah it does sound like a set until you look at the quantity with the minimum being two. Since they are a retailer no retailer is going to say you must buy two sets.

That link says discontinued at the top!

There is limited stock of these so I can still get a set but I’m not sure if the spray pattern is correct to our intake manifold.

The Genesis is 100% perfect for the 20VT they have the correct spray pattern and are 380cc. I have e-mailed him about trade prices as I may smell a group unless somebody wants to open a trade account.

the first person who gets PT to map their car with these may have to pay for a couple of extra hours work as they will be quite different in behaviour to the 16VT ones other than the flow at 3 bar

That will be me then i'm in on the 27th. Then everyone elese is gonna copy my map for cheaper.

UPDATE FROM USR:

Wow, you're motivated. Here's the skinny on the situation:

a) I have absolutely no experience with the FIAT engines because the
marquee
hasn't been in the USA since 1981.

b) The Genesis 380cc are vitally important to our VW/Audi business and
we've
only got a limited quantity for the time being. (This is why we won't break
up sets.)

c) I would much rather have you test the Siemens 380cc which I believe will
fit directly. They do deliver the single wide cone (vs split pattern), but
atomization is actually superior. Here are spray videos for comparison:

Genesis 380cc:
http://www.usrallyteam.com/downloads/genesis_small.wmv

Siemens 380cc:
http://www.usrallyteam.com/downloads/sd36_injector.mpg

Theoretically, the Siemens should produce slightly more midrange and peak
torque. The Genesis may facilitate marginally cleaner emissions and
fractionally better throttle response at shallow throttle angles.

I've got to protect my supply on the Genesis for now. So long as either
fit,
they'll work. So, how about test fitting the Siemens and going from there?
Btw, is there some sort of discussion of our injectors in the UK FIAT
forums? I ask because we've received multiple inquiries in the past few
weeks!

Cheers,

I'm using Siemens 750cc injectors and they are the best in the business at that size.

UPDATE2:

I have only 100 Genesis 380cc left and know that I would be unwise to blow
out 20 pieces to the FIAT crowd. Please take no offense about that! Also, I
can't sell 5 pieces because that will leave me with 3 left overs which will
do USRT no good. If you only wanted a set of 4x G380 I'd be perfectly happy
to make them available to you. Do you follow what I'm saying here?

Meanwhile, the Siemens injectors are plentiful. We can ship as many as you
need immediately. Their spray pattern differs from your stock engine.
However, the single wide cone (featuring superior atomization) will work
optimally. Hours of engine dyno and injector flow bench testing bear this
out!

Here's an example for you. The VAG 1.8T 20v engines originally came with an
injector with a single wide cone (AEB/AGU code) and then were later
supplied
with the twin-spray type. Similarly, the Bosch 315cc "red tops" are used to
great effect by many Stateside VAG tuners. They spray a single wide cone.
Meanwhile, the famed Bosch 440cc "green tops" have been largely abandoned
by
the same tuners. These spray a single *narrow* cone. Narrow is bad. Wide or
split is good!

Siemens 380cc or Genesis 415cc is what I can do for you at this time, sir.

Thanks,


@ JohnS
Now that you have seen the videos and read what USR has said which injectors would you choose if you’re in my position?
It seems like spray pattern vs. atomization and I am unsure which to choose.

He's a bit of a fool. If the 'fiat crowd' start to use his 380s then they will probably end out being the defacto standard so in the long run he would get a lot more business in a market he otherwise gets nothing from...

I'd say that if he doesn't want to sell to 'the fiat crowd' then we can go elsewhere...

UPDATE3:
I absolutely would like to supply the FIAT market. The problem is only that we do not have enough Genesis injectors to go around right *now*. If USRT released these parts to your crowd, it would take about 2 - 3 weeks before there was nothing more to sell. Then, we would be back to this same discussion, anyway. I expect this situation to change in the future.

Do you think he reads this forum?

Nah, surely not......

I can get 20 injectors as a set for the following:

Genesis 380cc = $1250 = £160 for a set of 5

Seimans 380cc = $1075 = £138 for a set of 5

Which injectors shall i get?

Jay,

the difference between the two is very minor, but i still sway towards the seimens as the spray pattern is more modern

I am trying to get some seimens for the skyline now, i need 700-800cc ones, have you seen anyone doing them cheap while you have been searching??

Ricky

TurboJ they seem very cheap when i have heard people say 75 pounds per injector. Also what comeback do you get from a US dealer?

I would be interested to see where JohnS and Barbz, Flea etc bought their injectors from.

Surely we can source injectors here in the uk?

I think i will need some larger injectors but i also have another question to ask. Can we not get new 16vt injectors?

marco

As said earlier in the thread the 16VT injectors are the incorrect spray pattern and very dated technology.



If your keeping the Bosch ECU then the max is 380cc at 3.8Bar otherwise PT will not map it as its too much problems.

Injectors are far cheaper in the states than here,i was going to fit a bigger series turbo,and looking to maybe go for Big Greens (basically porsche 996 turbos injectors) and they where far far cheaper in the states than here.
Turbo J I may be interested in a set too if thats ok ?

Really, when did they tell you this?

Flea,

How well does your car idle with the bigger injectors? PT say that they had endless problems getting your car to run correctly with those injectors. Claudio said they are not keen to map another similar coupe with injectors bigger than 380cc.

Since my engine will be a similar spec and performance to yours, I was going to go for 400+ injectors, but after talking to PT, I'll go for the 380's with a 3.8fpr.

Possibly because the atomisation on those 440ccs aren't that good, but it might also be because it's more difficult to stop the map wandering with the adaption capabilities of the ECU. But I would bet that a modern equivalent injector will be a lot better.

The problem in general is also that it is harder to drive larger high impedance injectors than low impedance which is why above a certain size only low impedance is recommended for any application.

If you use a 3.8 bar or higher FPR make sure you have a GSS341 or GSS342 pump otherwise you might run out of fuelling particularly if you are liberal with the boost

Flea - you know what the best form of flattery is?

Saturday, Cladio said that if they need more fuel from 380cc @ 3.8Bar then you would need to go standalone. It’s just pushing the Bosch system too far and he didn’t seem keen on trying another one.

So Squid if you run out of fuel on the Dyno better have OMEX’s number on speed dial

basically thats what pt told me too ,and as i`m kinda far away,I didn`t want to have the `wandering issue` and the poor tickover,so i`m going 380cc and 3.8 fpr too,and get the best I can from the set up I have

OK guys a group buy is being setup for anyone interested. I'm not going to be running it but the prices will be uploaded as soon as I have confirmation of availability.

We are going for the Seimans 380cc with the good atomization spray patteren.

well done

Well for £138 i reckon they might be worth a try. However i use the new version of the Unichip so i'm not sure about all the talk from PT as i don't have any dealings with them. I have my own ideas on which direction i'm going and i think i'm better sticking to that for now.

After speaking to Flea at the weekend(cheers mate very helpful) although not finished yet my car was already making 350bhp and 300lbs ft at 1 bar of boost at only 5500 rpm. This is on standard injectors, walbro pump and 3.8 bar fpr. I think there are other avenues to try first before just bolting on bigger injectors.

What i'm trying to say is that bolting bigger components is not always the way to cure a problem.

TurboJ do you use a unichip?

Could all those interested in a set of 380cc siemens injectors let me know. Obviously, the more confirmed orders we have, the lower the price.

However, I also need to confirm that those Siemens injectors will be interchangeable with the original Bosch injectors. I am hoping for confirmation on that by tomorrow.

Who's running this, you or TurboJ?

Are you asking me matt? If so yes me.

Aargh, now I’m more confused!

What I meant was, who’s organising the group buy/purchase arrangements from the States?

But whoever it is, I’ll probably have a set just incase.

I have asked a company in the states that is happy to supply people regardless of the application! I'm waiting for a reply regarding pricing etc. Their stated price for a set of 6 Siemens injectors is $300, so a unit price of $50. So hopefully we should be able to get better than that.

However, it all depends on shipping costs and duty etc. Also, we need to make sure that these injectors will fit into the fuel rail the same as the original Bosch injectors.

If someone else wants to organise this I am happy to by a set off them!

Matt no i'm not running the group buy.

Yeah on fitment you need Bosch fitment not denso (jap car) or any dirty stopout (sidemount) fitment. You may also need the O rings and spacer if they are not supplied with the injector (most do supply them, but don't rely on it). As a guide if it fits a Golf IV/Porsche etc. it should be OK. If the injectors are a different length then you will have to figure out how to mount them as well.

Ok as far as i know Squid is going to run the GB.

These injectors are meant to be for the live mapping at PT. If your using unchip then that is also OK but unichip *MAY* be able to handle bigger injectors if needed but for now this is what we are sticking to. I will be the first one to post results but this choice of injectors is far superior to the standard injectors (16VT & 20VT).

Once Squid has had confirmation from the supplier on fitment and prices then there should be no reason not to open a GB.

anything happening ?

Yes soon

Ok let me tie up the injectors. I couldn’t wait for a group buy as I needed a set before the end of the month. I ordered from USRT as a set of 10 injectors for:

10x Siemens 380cc: 487.50
> Global Express Mail shipping: 45
> Credit card/PayPal fees: 15.98
> *********************************
> Total: $548.48

They came within five days and are brand new and factory sealed as described

This guy will hold this price for any forum member who e-mails him quoting this thread, so no need to do a group buy you can just order them yourselves.

Please remember that these injectors have not yet been tested with the Live Map yet so they are not 100% proven but I’m certain that they are the best ones to get for our 20VT engines.

Do you know if threre is any chance to order just e set of 5?

Live Map means mapping original ECU on a dyna?

Live Map means mapping original ECU on a dyna?

yes


same question can we order 5 and get the same unit price ? if not, anybody else in the uk want 5 sorry Diego, Brazil not really handy for a group buy

Of course Paul ......I' ll buy from here when I make-up my mind and I' ll be sure they will fit and work properly on my ECU (it seems it will otherwise you guys wouldn1 t buy.....am I right?

I think he will sell five and at the same price just e-mail him your needs.

Just to let you know the other supplier I was talking to BSH Speed shop in Arizona, told me that he had trouble getting these injectors and was putting his prices up.

He told me that Siemens had ceased production of them, so they might become harder to come buy soon. Don't know how true that is though...

TurboJ,

already tested the siemens 380cc?

Monday

OK just had the car on the dyno today and figures are lower than expected due to my crappy 'Powerflow' exhaust strangling my engine. Far too much back pressure (time for a new 3”). Anyhow that aside Rob was very pleased with the injectors and for anyone considering Live map or Unichip these are currently the best injectors for the job. I can’t say any more than that so buy buy buy

fantastic news for the injectors

do we not get the results anyway?

You will when I get the new exhaust fitted. It's choking the engine so badly that boost and advanced had to be pulled very far back. Just removing the exhaust completely say a increase on 30BHP across the rev rang without advancing. But less of my engine and back to injectors.

Ask Squid if he will sell his set as according to PT he may require 440's

i will have a very similar setup to Squid so I may also need the larger injectors

Well then your better of waiting until Squid get his car mapped and see what happens as there are also another set of injectors that Squid is considering and maybe the right ones instead of the 440's for the bigger power coupes. But for coupes under 400BHP these bad boys are the ones to get

Just to figure out TurboJ.... are they plug and play or need some kind of spacer?

Plug and play. No extra parts required. Took me 5 mins to fit once the fuel rail was out.

that' s a very nice answer

I think I'm going to get anothe set of these injectors in the 440 (or the closest size to that) and then turn up at PT with both sets to save on multiple rolling road sessions. That way they can decide which ones to fit.

So, I'll have either a set of 380's or 440's for sale in about 6 weeks.

can I have first refusal Richard?

Is there nothing available between 380 and 440? seems like quite a large jump - 15%+

There is 400's available, as i believe Flea was using them?

Ross

You may also wanna consider a set of these:
http://www.usrallyteam.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=10_44&products_id=83

or these too

http://www.usrallyteam.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=10_44&products_id=85

Thanks, I'll probably go for a set of the 430's.

Mark - you'll need the bigger injectors. I'll take the 380's from you Richard.

Sadly Ken, you were beaten by mattB, who now has first dibs on the 380cc injectors.

It will be about 6 weeks before these are available though as PT have a long waiting list.

bloody hell, he must have been super quick! i replied after 11 minutes!

If I can't sell my turbo I will be sticking with the RS for a bit!

Beaten by that wiley aberdeener hey.. i'll get from the states.

Aye and his will just sit with his other parts...for months !!

Dont you mean years?

Anyone was able to contact Mr. Scott ( http://www.usrallyteam.com/ ) in the last week?

nope, not replied to my e mails either

I am very upset with that guy since I have already given my credit card details................and he just stop reply to my emails.........I thought he was relyable since Turboj had already bought with him...........