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Differences between 20v and 20v,vis? #594014
21/04/2008 01:07
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As above, have found a nice vis version for the missus but know little about them what are people`s experience`s with this version?
Thanks
Dave


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Re: Differences between 20v and 20v,vis? [Re: flyingcustard] #594018
21/04/2008 01:12
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More horsepower in the VIS, but I have a feeling that Rog or carlt once said that the VIS could be less reliable but no idea why \:\?

Oh and much much nicer standard wheels on the late cars \:#

Danielthemanual has a lovely yellow one \:\)

Re: Differences between 20v and 20v,vis? [Re: ] #594034
21/04/2008 01:25
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hope your on about mine?

Re: Differences between 20v and 20v,vis? [Re: ] #594084
21/04/2008 02:04
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 Originally Posted By: julian20v
hope your on about mine?


Not your`s J,
I`l pm Daniel, thanks
Are the vis realy this rare?


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Re: Differences between 20v and 20v,vis? [Re: flyingcustard] #594087
21/04/2008 02:08
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Not that rare, owners don't seem to post often - perhaps a good sign

Re: Differences between 20v and 20v,vis? [Re: ] #594089
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True \:D


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Re: Differences between 20v and 20v,vis? [Re: flyingcustard] #594107
21/04/2008 02:28
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what bhp are the vis engines then? i had a nomal 20v before the vis i got now

Re: Differences between 20v and 20v,vis? [Re: ] #594112
21/04/2008 02:30
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154 vs 147 I think, not a lot of difference

Re: Differences between 20v and 20v,vis? [Re: ] #594115
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nothing to shout about then

Re: Differences between 20v and 20v,vis? [Re: ] #594120
21/04/2008 02:41
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No, indeed

2.0 20V.........132 mph.............8.9 sec
2.0 20v.........135 mph.............8.4 sec (revised model)

Re: Differences between 20v and 20v,vis? [Re: ] #594335
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I think i'm right in saying that the difference is the intake. That Vis stands for something like Variable Intake System.

Basically at lower speeds the vis system reduces the intake to allow faster movement of air through it. At greater speeds it opens up to prevent restriction.

A stock 20v has a more compromised intake to attempt to do both these scenarios.




Re: Differences between 20v and 20v,vis? [Re: bridges] #594390
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It also uses a different ECU, and it's fly-by-wire rather than using a throttle cable.


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Re: Differences between 20v and 20v,vis? [Re: barnacle] #594446
21/04/2008 15:48
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It's the other way round bridges, on higher revs the air intake path is channeled or piped directly to each port, this valve system at lower revs opens so that the air intake is feed like a standard design plenum.

I'll post some pictures of the internals and action this action later.

My wifes VIS is really different from the alloy top n/a's, the engine sounds nosier because of the plastic rocker cover, and because of the fly by wire system it revs quicker and loves running at high revs.

As for reliability, it's like anything else, works really well if you service it regually, cleaning the throttle body helps with the revs dropping issue you get when your sitting at the lights.

But!
If you have a problem with the VIS system it can cost upto £500 for a second hand throttle body replacement on its own!

Generally the VIS is a great reliable coupe that's far cheaper to run then a 20vt. \:D

Re: Differences between 20v and 20v,vis? [Re: Countrycruising] #594449
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 Originally Posted By: Countrycruising
Generally the VIS is a great reliable coupe that's more boring to own than a 20vt. \:D


I can't believe u just said that!! \:o

Ross

Re: Differences between 20v and 20v,vis? [Re: ] #594480
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Be nice Ross \:\/

It's still a Pininafarina coupe!

Re: Differences between 20v and 20v,vis? [Re: Countrycruising] #594697
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 Originally Posted By: Countrycruising

As for reliability, it's like anything else, works really well if you service it regually, cleaning the throttle body helps with the revs dropping issue you get when your sitting at the lights.
But!
If you have a problem with the VIS system it can cost upto £500 for a second hand throttle body replacement on its own!


I'd agree with this, 5 years of trouble free running until recently and now 4 months of it sitting in the garage unable to nail down the problem and chasing my tail!!

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Re: Differences between 20v and 20v,vis? [Re: MetalMan] #594721
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Pm me metalman.

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Re: Differences between 20v and 20v,vis? [Re: Countrycruising] #594762
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Thanks every one for your comments \:\)
Dave


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Re: Differences between 20v and 20v,vis? [Re: Countrycruising] #594972
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 Originally Posted By: Countrycruising
It's the other way round bridges, on higher revs the air intake path is channeled or piped directly to each port, this valve system at lower revs opens so that the air intake is feed like a standard design plenum.



I see.




Re: Differences between 20v and 20v,vis? [Re: bridges] #595041
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4yrs and trouble free in my 20V VIS. Had to ditch those tiny 15" wheels though.

Re: Differences between 20v and 20v,vis? [Re: ] #595053
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I upgraded her car to the 16vt wheels whan I converted it brembo calipers \:#

I think the VIS is a very under-rated car IMO.

Re: Differences between 20v and 20v,vis? [Re: Countrycruising] #606678
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Just a quick update on this thread with some pictures.

These show the plenum split into two parts to show the internals, the base is closest the camera and contains the VIS mechanism.

This picture shows the position when the car is idling and up to 2.5k rpm.

Above 2.5k rpm the VIS rotates so that it feeds each intake port individually, picture here.

I hope you can see what I mean, and understand it's action.

I've driven both model n/a coupes and feel a definite difference with the VIS system, in a way it's like having a power band, not much of one but it's noticable.

Joe

Re: Differences between 20v and 20v,vis? [Re: Countrycruising] #607284
07/05/2008 20:43
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I have a VIS, nothing wrong mechanically, bought with nsh and one trip to motormech and was perfect again. Just spend 5 months sat still and after a quick battery charge went straight through MOT.

Re: Differences between 20v and 20v,vis? [Re: ] #609236
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Think you all might have missed the quoted tourqe figures for this motor, same output just 1k lower.

Re: Differences between 20v and 20v,vis? [Re: ] #609240
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I test drove a 20 vis modle and i`m presuming it had intake problems \:o as it was dead, felt no faster than a punto 1.2 sporting!! got a 20v non vis now and drives much better \:\)
The silver vis is on pistonhead`s, he changes/renews his add every two day`s 1400 now beware!


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Re: Differences between 20v and 20v,vis? [Re: flyingcustard] #609273
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Just a quick, but non-expert opinion.....

I had a 20V Vis engine, which was very sluggish and had lots of 'flat spots' of zero acceleration above 4k. Due to some complex factors I won't go into now, I blew the old engine up. In all honesty, I think it had problems when I got it, but since it was my first coop, I didn't know what I was looking for. I know better now.

Now I have a replacement 20V Vis engine, which has been much better looked after, and goes up to the red without any flat spots, and I can honestly say it's a fantastic engine. If only I'd driven one as good as this when I test drove the old one ! Now, it's fantastic. (Accelerates beautifully, and holds 2.5 bar of pressure idling, and hasn't lost a drop of oil in the 2 months since the last service)

I never owned a Non-Vis, so I can't compare, but I would say look after it, and it will be as good as any other, if not better.

Morgan.

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