i want to buy a good exhaust system to my STD coop, im thinking to fit either, Miltek Cat-Back Exhaust or Supersprint exhaust Sys or even Blueflame sys, as well as Im considering a DE-cat with the system….

i need something to fit directly to my STD sys. Or at least easy to fit, so what do you recommend

what is the best in your opinion and plz advise f u have any others in mind.

Cheers

anyone!?

Do you have a budget in mind?

I can personally recommend the Supersprint cat-back on an otherwise standard car, as I ran this for quite a while. The centre pipe is straight-through, getting rid of the standard centre box, giving a nice exhaust note and a slight improvement in breathing. They also produce a matching decat pipe, but everything is made from mild steel, so will not last as long as other options.

I believe that the Milltek system is basically the same design but made from stainless steel, so more resonant and longer lasting. They also do a race cat that is a straight swap for the standard one and frees up quite a few bhp, but it is rather expensive .

Don't know anything about the Blueflame myself, but there are plenty of people on here who seem to like them. The main problem is getting a cat fitted for MoT time, as they won't easily adapt to refitting the standard cat .

Phil

thanx mate,
i need agood one, i mean i dont what to buy supersprint and they dont have any advantages over the STD exhoust.

what is better, Stainless or mild steel, is it only the life time?? or there are other things>?

Phil--how long you are running with supersprint??

I've had my Supersprint for over a year but, to be honest, I don't use my car everyday, and it spends most of its life in a nice warm garage .

It is certainly an improvement over the standard system, but you probably need a race cat or decat to make a major difference (just be aware that a decat will almost certainly see your turbo seals failing a lot sooner than normal ). I have now done quite a few more engine mods on my car, including hybrid & 3" downpipe, and the Supersprint is still performing very nicely. I have no plans to change it in the forseeable future .

Stainless will certainly outlast mild steel by quite a margin ('lifetime' compared to '1-3 years'), but they also tend to be more 'boomy', particularly at motorway speeds .

Phil

The powerfiat system is pretty good, i have a full de-cat, it sounds great, its stainless to so comes with a warranty.

£225 afaik, talke to rog at Powerfiat

The Supersprint doesn't last more than 2-3 years as it is made of mild steel although it does sound nice. The Miltek is a fulll SS system that should last a lifetime but that said it sound svery similar to the Supersprint i.e. very subtle, and doesn't have any of the low down boom generated by the BlueFlame. If you only want to go cat back then the Miltek would be the system of choice especially as you can save £100 on this system from Powerstation.

i have contacted him, but unfortuntely he is not seeling overseas!

I seem to recall Hanny telling me that the Milltek is basically a stainless version of the Supersprint, which would explain why it is similar in exhaust note .

Phil

i see, but what is the STD exhaust basicly from Fiat?? mild steel or SS?

Mild steel.

Get a blueflame!

MattB has a blueflame system fitted. Im sure he'll be along shortly..

Blueflame have been nothing but good to me. they borrowed my car for a few days and developed there turbo back system while they had it.

they also have a CV to be proud of, so workmanship and quality is guarrenteed.


they used on the coop a 73mm stainless pipe. get in contact with them, speak to Nigel (the owner) or Ian Birch (development manager) and ask them to give you the full spec

I would say blueflame if you can get the off the shelf unit and use it

were do you buy the blueflame system?

the website above email them or phone them up sometimes sold on ebay i think as well..

I have been running the BlueFlame for 9 months. It is a great system for modified cars due to the increased bore and the price is very competitive. That said, for a standard system replacement it wouldn't be my first choice as it is a little boomy at crusing rpm and is probably overkill in size i.e. may cause your turbo to smoke sooner due to less back pressure and may even lose you low down torque.

I found the catback wasnt too bad but i have still to do a long journey which i will be doing tomorrow. This will be, warrington => Bolton => Skelmersdale => Warrington => Featherstone => Conventry => Chingford so should prove testing enough for her

I need to get my new video uploaded of the GT downpipe and decat and my lovely one silencer box exhaust popping noises

Camskill do a Blueflame system with a race cat in. This will solve the smoking turbo and the MOT problem.

Find it HERE

BlueFlame is a great fitting, well built system,but i have to say i HATE the drone ...I now find myself staying in gears longer/shorter or driving in 4th when i should be in 5th ,6th to stay out of the `drone zone` 2200-2900rpm.
I might even take it off if I can find another full 3" system ,that does not drone

what about PECO?

i never heard about PECO>

but i wonder what it the original fiat exhaust size?? is it 2.5" or what?? i think Supersprint and Miltek is offering the same 2.5",, am right??

www.motorsportworld.co.uk USED to seel em for the coupe, but i just checked and the page doesnt load anymore. Amazing how much of a difference a week can make.

they are not selling overseas!!

Her bum looks HUGE in that photo craig

I "think" the original size was 2.25"....

Miltek is on 2.5", i don't know for supersprint but i think 2.5" too

What about the scorpion zorst with the 4” imola trim .

Put it with the ram air induction kit and the super sprint de-cat and it's loud enough to wake the dead

www.europerformance.co.uk

Got my zorst from hear for about £325 last year, but the price has now dropped to £265 + £12p&p .the zorst is very well made and bolted straight on with no mods to the rear bumper .

Just a quick note but I fitted the blue flame zorst to my m8’s st24 and it looked exactly the same as the mongoose. We took of his old piper setup and put that on and lost power + torque .

guys,
can i use supersprint De-Cat on the Miltek Exhaust?? i think it is better to install a De-Cat that a racing cat, am right??

Sorry I forgot that you was over seas and far far away .

If the zorst states that it is a cat back it should fit like a STD part then the supersprint de-cat is a direct replacement for the STD cat, so it should all fit .

the Scorpion zorst should be available abroad as well so have a good look around.

Peco was found to have a slight restriction with its exhaust flow.

ok, so i can conclude that the best system for a STD car, is
the supersprint Cat back + De-cat, performance -wise and price-wise, however it will not last as long as other options as it is made from mild steel. am right??

Yip Omran thats right

I am stuck between the Miltek at around £350 or the blueflame for £580 with race cat?

Which will sound better, I dont use my car on a track.

Anyone?

Cheers

Miltek will sound better imo.

Blueflame sounds beasty though with teh 3" downpipe

the diameter of complete Blueflame system, it's good with origin turbo (t28) ?

Yeah it helps spool up a bit more but can also make the seals not last as long due to less back pressure from the system

Turbo seals can be uprated to with stand less back pressure, only aged turbos seals will weap.

It is still be of benefit to retain slight back pressure as none at all will actually slow the spin up of a standard turbo.

The standard Fiat exhaust has a number of different inner bore diameters rangeing from just over 2" to 2 and a quater inches at best. The main problem with the OE Fiat exhaust is the labourous route that it takes thus most after market exhausts will offer a slight improvement due to less pipe work.

All OE exhaust from Fiat are mild steel and thus have a limited life, the Super Sprint offers a good package only let down by the mid section which is mild steel and the rest low grade stainless steel.

The Milltek was NOT based onthe Supersprint - it was based on MY design - I was behind the design of the Milltek system and race cat.

cheers hanny,
but do you mean that i will damage my turbo if i fit a supersprint De-Cat ???
it is 2.5" size not as other 3" systems and also i will use the De-cat directly to the OE fiat manifold and other OE parts, so i think it is enough to maintain the required back pressure...

First of all you need to establish what you intend to do with your car interms of modifications.

Next you need to decide what you want, ie noise etc.

Then take into consideration your current set up and what is your budget.

A De-cat will not damage your turbo but a De-cat will show if your turbo seals are weak/old and due to the reduced back pressure it may cause the turbo seals to worsen quicker than if you kept the standard cat on.

To upgrade you exhaust system will give to some/all of the following (depending of current set up and condition of your Coupe):

Quicker turbo spool up - ie you will have full boost sooner on the rpm range.

Better midrange punch - this is as above.

Slightly more performance as the engine is able to breath more.

All the above will vary according to what you have had done ie if you have a better air filter, better turbo and chip the car can be transformed.

As to sizes - the norm seems to be between 2.5" and 3" - I would advise that if you not intending to push the 300bhp mark and beyond that a 2.5" would be fine.

Depending on which manufacturer you use but most decats will fit varing exhaust configurations.

Here are the parts to the exhaust:

- from turbo to cat is called the down pipe.
- then you have the cat.
- midsection
- rear silencer

Note the midsection and silencer combined is called the 'Cat back'.

I have run the following combinations:

Standard down pipe, standard cat and 2.4" Supersprint cat back.
Standard down pipe, standard cat and 2.5" Milltek cat back.
Standard down pipe, 2.5" Milltek race cat and 2.5" Milltek cat back.
Hayward and Scott 2.5" down pipe, 2.5" Milltek race cat and 2.5" Milltek cat back.
Powerflow 3" full system with de-cat pipe from turbo to tail.

My favourite set up for normal use was - Hayward and Scott 2.5" down pipe, 2.5" Milltek race cat and 2.5" Milltek cat back.

Best for balls out performance - Powerflow 3" full system with de-cat pipe from turbo to tail- but could be a bit too loud when not going for it.

Thanks hanny,
very useful post,

as my car is STD (on the way, Gtech1 & PRV) and as i don’t want to extremely rise the power (in stage 1 at least), i think the following combination shall be fine with my setup (correct me if not):

Standard down pipe, Supersprint De-Cat and Supersprint cat back.

i tried to get the miltek racing cat + 2.5" Milltek cat back, but it will seriously cost me alot (and i dont think that there will be much difference from supersprint)

Cheers

thanks for the explications

Where is the cheapest place to buy the milltek exhaust from???????????????????

Cheers

I have a powerflow cat back it sounds lovely, loud when you want it to be think it cost around £150

Two weeks ago bought a Miltek system from these guys Westec Performance and got a 10% discount by quoting GOOGLEAD0406 it cost £339 delivered. Fast service from these guys too, ordered Saturday, arrived Tuesday .

However the exhaust was far from satisfactory, I nearly returned it

I have the Miltek race already fitted so it should have been a straight swap with the old SuperSprint already fitted. How wrong can you be

My local exhaust fitting place (not QuikFit ) quoted £25 for fitting so booked in with them. They offered the Miltek up to car and it seemed to be okay, so the fitter proceeded to remove the blowing SuperSprint system (as usual the centrepipe was gone).

The Miltek backbox was hung in place and fit was pretty good, then the centre section was offered up and there appeared to be an 8" gap between the race-cat and the Miltex exhaust .

The fitter tried every-which-way to make it fit but it wasn't possible, and they didn't have the equipment to manufacture a connecting tube. The job was abandoned and luckily I didn't have to pay. The journey home was interesting and loud because I only had the race-cat and 2 feet of centre pipe for an exhaust.

So I had to go to a local Powerflow place for a tube to be made and the exhaust to be fitted.

The Powerflow fitter did a good job of wielding an extension onto the Miltek centre pipe and proceeded to fit the whole system, however no matter how he tried the tailpipe didn't fit in the bumper cut very well, it was either to high and touching the bumper or hung to low. He suggested that the simplest thing to do was to cut it off and re-fit it. And he mangaged to get a perfect fit . The whole job cost £50 so not so bad really.

The sound of the Miltek is excellent, I prefer it so the old SuperSprint, not to loud, no droning but a nice deep, throaty note.

Miltek fit 2/10, Powerflow fitting 8/10, Miltek sound 9/10

What's the scorpion like for sound? I like mine fairly loud, not chav-like but I like to really hear that 5-pot burble when gunning it.

The supersprint is a great price but is it loud? I would run it with a supersprint de-cat.

Ive got the Scorpion fitted. It changes the character of the standard engine note and makes it more Audi Quattro like. Burbles nicely at tickover and goes super quiet at motorway speeds to the extent that you can't hear it all while cruising. There is some booming/droning at 2000rpm but all single silencer cat backs will do this without exception IMO. I think it could possibly be improved by a second straight through silencer after the cat. I wasnt convinced at first but I quite like it now.

Would you say it could be quite loud when flooring it, if the scorpion had a de-cat?

pinin your pm box is full

I've emptied it now

Yes I'm fully aware of the pros and cons of De-catting, thankyou I want to revel in that sound Taffy20VT took me out in his coupe which has a 3" powerflow system and no cat and the sound is something else

Blueflame 3" fromt GT turbo to catback section and then its 70mm all the way back

Sorry if I'm going over something that has been discussed before, but what are the options for a budget performance exhaust system (cat back)

I'm going to be looking for a free-flowing 'zorst probably next month, and will have a budget of probably no more than £300. The most suitable system so far appears to be the Scorpion system as used by Bernie20VT, at a cracking £265 plus P+P.

I'd love a blueflame or similar but I don't think I will get one within budget?

This looks like excellent value, Just £245 and it's stainless.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FIAT-COUPE-16v-20v...1QQcmdZViewItem

Anyone had experience of this system?

Anyone there I heard that Cybox is peco, there's been problems with peco exhaust systems on the coupe IIRC?

There's been problems with the rear bracket hanger in the past and some inconsistency with fitment quality. The rear hanger design is a bit of a bodge IMO, like a universal fit thing you'd buy in Halfords. I'd go with the Scorpion or better still drive to Essex and get the Pipecraft one. Thats a great system for £220 and sounds

Essex is just too far for me, factor in fuel, food and drink during the stops and I'd probably be able to afford a blueflame!

I think I'll give the cybox a wide berth and go with the scorpion Bernie says it's "loud enough to wake the dead" in an earlier post which should p*ss the neighbour's off no end

Blueflame will probably knock one up cheaper than that scorpion price to be honest If you can give them a bell?

Blueflame cat back is about £320 IIRC and their sports cat is about £220.

Only heard good things about the Pipecraft so getting a catback fitted on Thursday. About the same price as a Supersprint so hopefully a better buy.

I wonder if they have them "off the shelf" to sell or if I'd have to be there personally

If it's the Pipecraft you're on about Pinin it's a custom fit job so they need your car for the best part of a day.

the blueflame is great, shame about their piss poor customer service.

they simply dont want to sell any systems.

i dont even think they have any available.

if they could be bothered to make some they may well sell a few systems.

Wouldn't argue with that.

Busa's sounded mint when I met him last year but when I put my feelers out to their factory a few weeks back they made me feel they were doing me a favour by answering the phone and speaking to me.

From what I could see from the Blueflame office when I popped in to get a race cat fitted, there is only 2 people in- a girl who types up the invoices and a guy who is constantly on the phone !

It is a great engineering workshop though and they are bloomin busy but when you get a race cat fitted to your system for £200 you cant complain

I noticed that there are blueflame systems available on ebay again.

Booming/droning is the uncomfortable resonance you get from large exhausts running at low revs. The exhaust resonates the bodywork and the air in the car moves back and forth rapidly and vibrates your ear drums. It disappears as the revs climb.

Nobody has mentioned Rog does a pipecraft cat-back for £220 fitted That sounds fantastic. one problem is I'd need it Couried to me, PLEASE say he does this?

Pay attention Pinin. I stated that further up the thread The Pipecraft one is the Rog sourced exhaust

Unfortunately, you need to go and have it custom fitted, no courier option.

I can vouch for the Miltek. Fits like a glove to the car, quality construction, lifetime guarantee and a pleasant burble - more than a Supersprint but less than a de-cat Blueflame.

Hamster

Miltek is a bit too pricey and quiet for a chav like me. I only use the coupe as a toy - no commuting. Heck, the low rev drone is welcome

I think i will be going for the Scorpion myself soon

Can anyone post up some pictures of one fitted ?

I know Bernie20VT has it but can't post up any pics. Bernie - if you want to send them to me I will host them.

I'm going to go for the Scorpion too, it's a stainless steel system made by a reputable company, for £270 and it sounds pretty sweet too, by all accounts.

Here's a small video of my Scorpion.

Right click save as

Sorry its a bit pathetic, I had no one to rev the car for me.

pinin did you get my reply pm ?

Cosmo, the link dont work

Sorry, updated now

Ah cosmo that's fantastic, thanks very much. It looks fantastic, and a nice burble on tickover. I've made my mind up on which one now.


Paul, you have PM

O yes that’s it , hit 3000rpm and that’s when the fun begins .
I was running a gtec1 de-cat 1.2 bar boost ram air plus that lovely scorpion zorst It would spit flames all the time when playing hard .

Cheers for posting that up Cosmo !,thats made my mind up Scorpion it is !

Hey Steve just found the scorpion system for £2 cheaper than from the previous link £275 with free delivery
am I a bargain hunter or what

http://www.larkspeed.com/index.pl?p=125FT03im&a=i

Also these guys stock the scorpion system for the coupe, they claim to beat any genuine price. So I'll give them a bell and see if they can go cheaper than the £275 all in price quoted by larkspeed. Perhaps get it for £270 all in However I've never heard of proven performance before perhaps it is better dealing with a bigger company like larkspeed.

http://www.proven-products.co.uk/

Bargain hunter Pinin! he's at it again!

http://performance.rallynuts.com/render....s%26make%3DFIAT

£268 delivered

Pinin that is a good price !

Im Just off to get some quotes for fitting/spraying of my Zender kit will have to see how much coin i will have left after that ,so tempted to order one now !!!

I have to wait till payday to buy mine, but I will deffo be going for the scorpion system, I like the look of Cosmo's.

Right, just phoned that proven performance site, They can do the system, delivered... For £262

If you are interested Steve, phone up the number on the website and ask to speak to "John" he's a very helpful chap and you can pay over the phone using your card.

That's where I'll be getting mine from, you won't find it cheaper than that.

The price just keeps coming down i like it !

Although I think i will have to wait a few weeks, price for fitting/spraying my kit is a lot more than i expected.

Well webb bros sprayers/body repairs in prest. did my skirts for £140 all in, other quotes were £200+ . Excellent job too.

PRICE CRASH! PRICE CRASH!

My god I'm good

Best price so far was £262 delivered for the scorpion cat-back system, that was from proven products ltd. So I Phoned Demon Tweeks where the system is £294 + Delivery on their site, and they agreed to beat £262 and went down to £253
So naturally I went straight back to proven products, Who brought the price down to £250 delivered
Who dares me to go back to 'tweeks maybe I can get it down to a tenner six months down the line