GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better?

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GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better? #678019 11/09/2008 19:28 11/09/2008 19:28
M MiniPit Unregistered
MiniPit Unregistered M	Hi guys $;\)$ I've just bought a complete clutch kit of ALFA 147 GTA for my 20V turbo. I bought it because you said me it is plug'n'play on our 20VT. But someone tell me the 20VT clutch is more resistant than the GTA clutch $\:o$ He tells me that the Fiat clutch can support more torque! $\:o$ I just want you to put me at rest. Are we wrong when we say that the GTA clutch is better than the Fiat clutch? I hope i haven't bought it for nothing $\:\($ Last edited by MiniPit; 11/09/2008 19:29.

Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better? [Re: ] #678054 11/09/2008 21:20 11/09/2008 21:20
T TurboJ Unregistered
TurboJ Unregistered T	They are the same cover & release bearing but the GTA friction disc is bigger. Thats all.

Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better? [Re: ] #678059 11/09/2008 21:26 11/09/2008 21:26
M MiniPit Unregistered
MiniPit Unregistered M	Originally Posted By: TurboJ They are the same cover & release bearing but the GTA friction disc is bigger. Thats all. Ok TurboJ So if the friction disc of the GTA is bigger it will accept more torque than the OE clutch I don't understand why the guy i meet told me the Fiat is better! Maybe a jealous person $\:D$

Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better? [Re: ] #678061 11/09/2008 21:29 11/09/2008 21:29
T TurboJ Unregistered
TurboJ Unregistered T	The covers/release bearing are the same part number. More surface area = less slippage = more torque $;\)$

Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better? [Re: ] #678068 11/09/2008 21:40 11/09/2008 21:40
S suba Unregistered
suba Unregistered S	GTA should be a bit better - but not a world of difference. As long as it holds your level of power then either would be fine. They are also the same price, so take your pick IMO....

Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better? [Re: ] #678076 11/09/2008 22:02 11/09/2008 22:02
M MiniPit Unregistered
MiniPit Unregistered M	Thanks guys In France the price of the GTA is smaller than the price of the Fiat clutch $;\)$ So : better price and better grip! That's a good deal $\:D$ Happy to know i've made the good choice $;\)$

Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better? [Re: ] #678091 11/09/2008 22:24 11/09/2008 22:24
S symonh2000 Unregistered
symonh2000 Unregistered S	Sorry to hijack the thread but will the GTA clutch work on all 20VT's, or is it just 5 speed or just 6 speed cars etc... Cheers, Simon.

Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better? [Re: ] #678105 11/09/2008 22:54 11/09/2008 22:54
D dink Unregistered
dink Unregistered D	Originally Posted By: TurboJ The covers/release bearing are the same part number. More surface area = less slippage = more torque $;\)$ It all depends of the clamping force of the cover. If i'm not mistaking a GTA disc accepts less torque than a standard disc but wears slower.

Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better? [Re: ] #678118 11/09/2008 23:25 11/09/2008 23:25
M MiniPit Unregistered
MiniPit Unregistered M	Originally Posted By: dink Originally Posted By: TurboJ The covers/release bearing are the same part number. More surface area = less slippage = more torque $;\)$ If i'm not mistaking a GTA disc accepts less torque than a standard disc but wears slower. That's exactly what the guy i met told me $\:o$ Hum... where is the truth $\:\?$ Last edited by MiniPit; 11/09/2008 23:25.

Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better? [Re: ] #678127 11/09/2008 23:44 11/09/2008 23:44
S suba Unregistered
suba Unregistered S	Who cares - with your mods either will do the job no probs!

Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better? [Re: ] #678136 12/09/2008 00:10 12/09/2008 00:10
M MiniPit Unregistered
MiniPit Unregistered M	Originally Posted By: suba Who cares - with your mods either will do the job no probs! I care... because of the mod i'm going to do in the next weeks $\:D$ Big Hybrid T28 is coming from England (stock size for the turbine, trim 64 for the compressor... i know this is experimental... i hope it will be fine ;)) FMIC is ready to be on my coop too $\:#$ I've heard that standard clutch can support 320/330 hp! Hope that's right because i want this power $\:D$

Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better? [Re: ] #678141 12/09/2008 00:18 12/09/2008 00:18
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,596 Malaysia..Glasgow at heart Kelv27 Forum is my job
Kelv27 Forum is my job Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,596 Malaysia..Glasgow at heart	For clutches, it is measured in torque so bhp figure don't matter. Even with a hybrid turbo, the standard and GTA clutches will do the job sufficiently well. Youre probably only gonna get 250-270 lb/ft of torque with that sort of mods anyway.

Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better? [Re: Kelv27] #678185 12/09/2008 07:09 12/09/2008 07:09
M MiniPit Unregistered
MiniPit Unregistered M	Originally Posted By: Kelv27 For clutches, it is measured in torque so bhp figure don't matter. Even with a hybrid turbo, the standard and GTA clutches will do the job sufficiently well. Youre probably only gonna get 250-270 lb/ft of torque with that sort of mods anyway. Fine $;\)$ Thanks again

Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better? [Re: ] #678191 12/09/2008 08:35 12/09/2008 08:35
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,560 Oxfordshire Gaz My life on the forum
Gaz My life on the forum Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,560 Oxfordshire	Originally Posted By: symonh2000 Sorry to hijack the thread but will the GTA clutch work on all 20VT's, or is it just 5 speed or just 6 speed cars etc... Cheers, Simon. It will fit all 20vt models and the 16vt as well.

Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better? [Re: Gaz] #678198 12/09/2008 09:17 12/09/2008 09:17
S symonh2000 Unregistered
symonh2000 Unregistered S	Originally Posted By: Gaz Originally Posted By: symonh2000 Sorry to hijack the thread but will the GTA clutch work on all 20VT's, or is it just 5 speed or just 6 speed cars etc... Cheers, Simon. It will fit all 20vt models and the 16vt as well. Thanks again Gaz. $\:D$

Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better? [Re: ] #678391 12/09/2008 16:17 12/09/2008 16:17
T TurboJ Unregistered
TurboJ Unregistered T	Originally Posted By: dink It all depends of the clamping force of the cover. If i'm not mistaking a GTA disc accepts less torque than a standard disc but wears slower. Yes increased clamping force increases torque rating but so does the surface area of the friction disc since both covers are the same only the surface area matters. The GTA disc is bigger than the coupe one.

Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better? [Re: ] #678500 12/09/2008 19:57 12/09/2008 19:57
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,831 Haslemere, Surrey M Mark_S Forum is my job
Mark_S Forum is my job M Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,831 Haslemere, Surrey	I would go for a Helix organic clutch, don't think GTA significantly better, whereas Helix will give you a big safety margin 997 C4S

Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better? [Re: Mark_S] #678546 12/09/2008 22:10 12/09/2008 22:10
S suba Unregistered
suba Unregistered S	....but it cost just a tiny bit more than a gta clutch.... $\:o$

Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better? [Re: ] #678561 12/09/2008 22:48 12/09/2008 22:48
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,694 Midlands MCMike Club member 2095
MCMike Club member 2095 Forum is my job Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,694 Midlands	Do it once, do it right - I fried 3 clutches before I saw sense and went for a Helix. 1972 Triumph Stag 1984 Alfasud TI 1999 Fiat Coupe Turbo LE 2005 350Z

Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better? [Re: MCMike] #678585 13/09/2008 01:04 13/09/2008 01:04
D dink Unregistered
dink Unregistered D	Minipit, pourquoi tu vas si loin pour trouver une réponse? Tu sais que delta il est partout $\:\)$ p.s. sorry boys, but me and minipit know eachother, altough he diden't realise before $\:D$ I've tried all of them and my conslusion i make is: - stock clutch: 400Nm of peak torque ok but fast wear rate. - Walkers organic : 400Nm max torque as well but lasts longer - Helix: really good stuff but haven't been able to finsih one. It does accepts 400Nm sustained torque for sure. Nobody ever metions skimming the flywheel is primordial on a new clutch.

Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better? [Re: ] #679373 15/09/2008 00:07 15/09/2008 00:07
M MiniPit Unregistered
MiniPit Unregistered M	Originally Posted By: dink Minipit, pourquoi tu vas si loin pour trouver une réponse? Tu sais que delta il est partout $\:\)$ p.s. sorry boys, but me and minipit know eachother, altough he diden't realise before $\:D$ I've tried all of them and my conslusion i make is: - stock clutch: 400Nm of peak torque ok but fast wear rate. - Walkers organic : 400Nm max torque as well but lasts longer - Helix: really good stuff but haven't been able to finsih one. It does accepts 400Nm sustained torque for sure. Nobody ever metions skimming the flywheel is primordial on a new clutch. C'est toi! Trop fort $\:D$ $\:D$ What do you mean by skimming? Last edited by MiniPit; 15/09/2008 00:10.

Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better? [Re: ] #679420 15/09/2008 09:23 15/09/2008 09:23
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,057 Southsea G Gunzi Club member 189, Former Club President
Gunzi Club member 189, Former Club President Je suis un Coupé G Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,057 Southsea	You "skim" a small amount of the surface of the flywheel off, to ensure it's totally flat before fitting the new clutch $\:\)$

Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better? [Re: Anonymous] #1668181 15/10/2023 18:46 15/10/2023 18:46
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 989 Drakelow Jamiepm Club member 1989
Jamiepm Club member 1989 Enjoying the ride Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 989 Drakelow	No, but use this link instead as these are better https://clutch-specialists.co.uk/collections/fiat/coupe She's alive!

Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better? [Re: mkmotorsport] #1668186 16/10/2023 09:06 16/10/2023 09:06
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 17,206 FCSS 01684 593187 Countrycruising Club Rep Europe, member 914
Countrycruising Club Rep Europe, member 914 Forum veteran Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 17,206 FCSS 01684 593187	Originally Posted by mkmotorsport Has anyone a buy link for the GTA Clutch? Autodoc part number 826319 www.facebook.com/fiatcoupes

Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better? [Re: Mark_S] #1668216 18/10/2023 08:16 18/10/2023 08:16
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,576 Glasgow,Near Florence..If only... paul My life on the forum
paul My life on the forum Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,576 Glasgow,Near Florence..If only...	Originally Posted by Mark_S I would go for a Helix organic clutch, don't think GTA significantly better, whereas Helix will give you a big safety margin yup I agree -- I run @400bhp , helix organic clutch been in the car for years , ok not doing a high mileage , but well up for the job was Paul S,now just paul...Member since Oct 2000,Coupe may be FATALLY injured - :(oh no it's not

Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better? [Re: Anonymous] #1668217 18/10/2023 08:43 18/10/2023 08:43
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 12,294 Sandhurst Begbie Ex El Presidente
Begbie Ex El Presidente I AM a Coop Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 12,294 Sandhurst	/insert usual statement Clutches are rated for torque, not BHP Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies

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