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Re: Project 400bhp [Re: Flea] #730871
18/12/2008 17:32
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Well, bit of an update to keep some scottish member happy wink

After realising i had stripped the threads on the new oil cooler, i had to order up a new oil cooler and got think auto to make some new oil cooler pipes up for not that much money to replace the old items.

Went through some of the diagnostic settings to check that the fuel pumps are doing what they should be doing, checking the injectors fire as well as making sure i put the connector on the right injectors so that they fire in the correct sequence. Checked the ignition and had to do some jiggery pokery after a quick call to sedicirich and now got the sparks firing in the right order too, so final thing was to try and start it!! Well that didn't happen as was getting a message on the motec saying the sync was not good, so would not start the car. Tried a few things to check the sensor and another call to sedicirich and not much joy.

Rich had spoken to the mapper of his 200bhp+ N/A Tipo and suggested i gave him a call as i will be going to him for my mapping. I have spoken with Phil Lanes of GG Motorsport and he suggested changing the trigger wheel settings i had, as the ones i had from an integrale might not be correct, so Phil suggested a couple of changes which i did, uploaded this to the motec and the sync error has gone, but still wont start, just lots of popping and banging. Phil has a copy of my map and is going to make some changes with the info i've given him / linked to the fiat workshop manual, so fingers crossed, Phil is going to work some magic and i'll have a running coupe after 3 years and 2 1/2 months!! woohoo shocked


Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
Re: Project 400bhp [Re: Begbie] #731061
18/12/2008 22:52
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Exciting stuff!


Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #731110
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Re: Project 400bhp [Re: Begbie] #731195
19/12/2008 11:05
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Exciting times Beggers, when's she booked in for mapping ?

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: Jimbo] #731322
19/12/2008 14:11
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Mapping is booked in for Feb now, as spoken with Phill and all of Jan is taken up with mapping a rally car, then heading over to Ireland for it.

Phill sent the maps over at 11pm last night, uploaded to the ECU and she fires up and runs by herself woohoo woohoo woohoo woohoo woohoo woohoo woohoo woohoo woohoo woohoo woohoo and woohoo


Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
Re: Project 400bhp [Re: Begbie] #731325
19/12/2008 14:15
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Well I never... no really, I never thought it would happen tongue

So, do you have a base map that you can use to trundle around and run the engine in?


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Re: Project 400bhp [Re: Flea] #731331
19/12/2008 14:21
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Yay! We need vids, does she sound sweet?

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: Flea] #731332
19/12/2008 14:21
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April 1st seems to come round sooner and sooner laugh

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #731345
19/12/2008 14:36
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Wahay! Nice one Alexis, get a video up ASAP. laugh

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #731375
19/12/2008 15:16
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Flea, there is a base map on there, but no trundling around will be done, the engine will be run in on the rolling road, as the car still needs tax, mot and insurance first!

She does sound ok, a lot of carbon is being chucked out but that is probably down to the fact of having 750cc injectors and no downpipe or external wastegate being on, I will try and sort a video out soon, but first i need a new FMIC as the trolley jack rolled to the side, and the FMIC is all mashed up, highs and lows today laugh frown


Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa
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Re: Project 400bhp [Re: Begbie] #731377
19/12/2008 15:18
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No downpipe?!

Damn that must be LOUD!

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #731378
19/12/2008 15:19
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You sound a little accident prone Begbie! laugh

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #731382
19/12/2008 15:23
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It's not as loud as i thought it was going to be, then again, i was sat in the car, bonnet open and doors open and it seemed bearable, although, might be different from the front of the car laugh

Chris, tell me about it rolleyes hehe


Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa
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Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #731398
19/12/2008 15:41
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It will probably just sound like a 4 cylinder drag car,loud and very raspy.

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Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #731400
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There's a Pro Alloy FMIC for sale on the forum Beggers.

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: Jimbo] #731414
19/12/2008 16:13
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I can't believe it!

I bet the sync error was the degrees position of the sync point was wrong in the map - I can get the same error on mine. On my Motec setup the engine rotates past the main trigger wheel and the sync from the phase sensor and checks they are in the right place and does one full cycle before it will fire up.
I believe that the 20VT stock ECU works it out dynamically and after it has seen crank position and phase position it will fire, so usually less than one full cycle.

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #731445
19/12/2008 17:02
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John, that sounds about right, i've been told my 3 different people that the cRip value should be 89 degree's, spoke with Phill and gave him a link to how the fiat ecu works's out TDC and changed the value to something like 570 degree's, don't know why it works, but it just does.

As for those who asked for the video, well look below wink I think it idles quite well considering there isn't that much of a map and isn't using an idle control valve too! The gauge you can see working is the oil pressure one and is up and down between 6 and 8 bar of oil pressure



and some of the nice defi gauges yum



Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa
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Re: Project 400bhp [Re: Begbie] #731455
19/12/2008 17:18
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Bet your neighbours love you Beggars... laugh

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #731465
19/12/2008 17:26
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Looking good laugh

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #731483
19/12/2008 17:51
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Originally Posted by Kenno
Bet your neighbours love you Beggars... laugh


The guy in one of the other garages was giving me a dodgy look when i started it again biglaugh


Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa
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Re: Project 400bhp [Re: Begbie] #731516
19/12/2008 18:23
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This soooo not a 400bhp motor anymore... evil


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Re: Project 400bhp [Re: Flea] #731518
19/12/2008 18:25
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Originally Posted by Flea
This soooo not a 400bhp motor anymore... evil


What are you on about, it will do 400bhp, anymore, well, that will be a bonus laugh


Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa
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Re: Project 400bhp [Re: Begbie] #731589
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What if you got 399BHP would it have been worth it? laugh

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #731593
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BIG GZ Begbie

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: Begbie] #731603
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Sounds like you are running antilag :-) I would not run that till your mapper has it on the rollers or you could end up burning something ;-)
Looking forward to seeing it in action.
Paul

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #731618
19/12/2008 21:20
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Does the boost gauge only go up to 2 bar frown





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Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #731637
19/12/2008 21:58
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Ohhhh that cars gonna be sweet laugh Nice work Beggars!

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #731666
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Good one. Incidentally begbie and wiring dont go together, I think I'll buy you an electronics set for xmas!! Also trying to explain the relationship between the crank and the cam while dring up the M6 is a little difficult. Good old Phil at G and G dont know of many professionals who will answer the phone 8 at night to talk about starting a car!!

Anyway get all oil and water unions checked, make sure anything that looks lose or rattles like brackets etc are all stbilized, check all engine mounts, and the hub nuts for torque so its good for the RR. I hope you have some monkey oil in it for running in, mine was ran in on tesco value oil! - dry cold compression test after 5 races - 190psi+ on all cylinders. If you put synth in - get it out.

Make sure you have your front tomwing eye so I can winch it on the trailer after xmas.

We never thought the day would come!

rich smile

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #734450
25/12/2008 16:19
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argh!!!

not following the forum for a few days and Alexis gets his car running tongue
Just not fair...

Well done Alexis!
Looking forward to the RR session, graphs and your views on how it feels. laugh

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Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #736729
31/12/2008 02:41
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Nice one Alexis! When can I come over and see it? smile

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