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Top Gear 1997 Coupe vs review #745306
12/01/2009 12:59
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I've just found this old Top Gear article. They also have some new numbers for the coop that are very similar to those reported by Autocar.

It features the 20vT vs
Alfa GTV 2.0 (pre V6 i assume),
Prelude Vtec,
S14 200SX

Coupé Vs....


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Re: Top Gear 1997 Coupe vs review [Re: Trappy] #745313
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I've just thought of another Article I found a while back and didn't link on here. It's Top Gears coupe comparison featuring the S14 200Sx, Prelude Ctec, Corrado V6 and the 16vT.

More Coupe Vs...


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Re: Top Gear 1997 Coupe vs review [Re: Trappy] #745363
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Nice one Trappy. I have owned a 200SX s14, and an Alfa GTV as well as my 2 coupe's so that was double interesting for me.

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Re: Top Gear 1997 Coupe vs review [Re: ] #745364
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think ill take alook at that

Re: Top Gear 1997 Coupe vs review [Re: ] #745368
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seen it before!how would a 16vt fair aganst a civic type r

Re: Top Gear 1997 Coupe vs review [Re: ] #745424
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 Originally Posted By: JIM16vt
seen it before!how would a 16vt fair aganst a civic type r


You mean in a straight line race or a proper road test comparison?

For pure grunt, my calculations show that the CTR (2001) would pull 1 length out of the 16vT from 40-100mph. Nothing in it. from there it would remain the same up to 120mph.

They are pretty much neck and neck on the straights. \:\/


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Re: Top Gear 1997 Coupe vs review [Re: Trappy] #746170
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what you think of mazda 323 gtr 4wd

Re: Top Gear 1997 Coupe vs review [Re: ] #746184
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 Originally Posted By: JIM16vt
what you think of mazda 323 gtr 4wd


That's one I don't have numbers for \:\) All i've got is a conservative 15.6 1/4. I'll have a look around adn see what ther eis but don't expect it to be too impressive; it's only a 150bhp Mx5 engine afterall...


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Re: Top Gear 1997 Coupe vs review [Re: Trappy] #746248
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thought the turbo 323 were 180bhp [small car to]

Re: Top Gear 1997 Coupe vs review [Re: ] #746266
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 Originally Posted By: JIM16vt
thought the turbo 323 were 180bhp [small car to]


This car is proving to be a real pain in the proverbial. I'm seeing numbers of 165bhp and 180 (even a 210bhp version) but no references to magazine road tests to confirm? We did have them over here didn't we? I'm sure they weren't all imports?


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Re: Top Gear 1997 Coupe vs review [Re: Trappy] #746299
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The 323 gtr's are all imports.

1.8 4wd 210bhp.

Pretty rare cars....

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 Originally Posted By: JIM16vt
seen it before!how would a 16vt fair aganst a civic type r


thats a really good question....

my mates delta spanked a type r so i think it could be a close one!!

Re: Top Gear 1997 Coupe vs review [Re: ] #746582
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My friend had one, I really liked it[not as much as my coupe] but they are a great car

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Re: Top Gear 1997 Coupe vs review [Re: ] #746626
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My dad used to have a Type R civic. My 16VT would have murdered it in a straight line.

The 16VT I had had some mods but I am sure a standard one would be quite a bit quicker too.

I remember being unimpressed with my dads Civic, even when you drive it at high revs like it is supposed to be driven, it seemed all noise and not a lot of go.

The coupe just throws you forwards with loads of torque in comparison.

Re: Top Gear 1997 Coupe vs review [Re: ] #746855
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civic type r is brilliant car...for a non turbo!
how you think the 16vt would do against the 20vt?
and what about against scooby[uk215b.h.p]


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Re: Top Gear 1997 Coupe vs review [Re: ] #747010
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 Originally Posted By: symonh2000

The 16VT I had had some mods but I am sure a standard one would be quite a bit quicker too.


I really can't see it. The only numbers for a 16vT I've seen are in one of the links above and, putting in those times, it most definately isn't substancially quicker than a 2001 CTR, if at all. They weigh about the same and have pretty much the same power. The coop's low down torque advantage counts for nothing in the upper reaches of both cars rev bands.

I accept that it may feel faster and possibly even be a little faster in the real world where you can find yourself out of the engines sweet spot, but a straight line drag race would result in a draw.


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Re: Top Gear 1997 Coupe vs review [Re: Trappy] #747073
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Is the 0-100mph time right for the 20vt? Seems very quick.

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 Originally Posted By: Clark10
Is the 0-100mph time right for the 20vt? Seems very quick.


14.7? Autocar recorded a 14.5 in the 1996 Road Test and then a 15 in the 2000 0-100-0mph Test.

Full data;
Autocar
0-30mph: 2.5
0-40mph: 3.5
0-50mph: 4.8
0-60mph: 6
0-70mph: 7.9
0-80mph: 9.9
0-90mph: 11.9
0-100mph: 14.5
0-110mph: 18.3
0-120mph: 22.3
0-130mph: 29.2

Top Gear
0-30mph: 2.5
0-40mph: 3.3
0-50mph: 4.9
0-60mph: 6.1
0-70mph: 8.5
0-80mph: 10.2
0-90mph: 12.2
0-100mph: 14.7
0-110mph: 18.8
0-120mph: 22.7
0-130mph: 27.6

I'm not sure what to make of the conflicting 0-130mph times. Which is a typo?


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Re: Top Gear 1997 Coupe vs review [Re: Trappy] #747265
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On a side note I wonder who (if anyone) owns that Coupe now - P453 CCF


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Re: Top Gear 1997 Coupe vs review [Re: Trappy] #747431
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have you got them times on 16vt mate

Re: Top Gear 1997 Coupe vs review [Re: ] #747927
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 Originally Posted By: JIM16vt
have you got them times on 16vt mate


They can be found by following the link in the second post!

Open it yourself you laxy sod \:P

Ok, here are the Top Gear numbers for the 16vT. I don't have Autocars data... I'll have a look around \:\)
0-30mph: 2.7
0-40mph: 3.9
0-50mph: 5.2
0-60mph: 6.8
0-70mph: 9.0
0-80mph: 11.3
0-90mph: 14.1
0-100mph: 17.9
0-110mph: 22.2
0-120mph: 28.4
0-400m: 15.3
0-400m Terminal 93.1
0-1000m: 27.8
0-1000m Terminal 119.0

The distance and terminals are my calculated numbers based on the increment data.

Edit: Autocar has the 16vT the same up to the 1/4 mile but slightly slower afertwards, They reported;
0-100mph: 18.3
0-1000m: 28s
0-1000m terminal: 116mph


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Re: Top Gear 1997 Coupe vs review [Re: Lucifer] #747953
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 Originally Posted By: Lucifer
On a side note I wonder who (if anyone) owns that Coupe now - P453 CCF



It's not on the insurance database (www.askmid.co.uk)... P reg was 1996 wasn't it... could be SORN or could be... no longer with us! °\(

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Re: Top Gear 1997 Coupe vs review [Re: Trappy] #748076
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cheers mate useful info

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mine is p61 bhh yellow 16vt has anyone owned all no anyone who has owned it before

Re: Top Gear 1997 Coupe vs review [Re: ] #750342
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Trappy, thanks for the usefull info, i wounder if you could find out the times for an integra type r DC2??

if you can, could you PM them to me!!!

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Marco I know you would beat that integra put your pride on the line kiddo get him down pod, better than that rolling start he's all yours

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used my blackberry phone when wrote that post so cheers for removing txt speak lol

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Cheers for removing what speak?


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 Originally Posted By: Trappy
Cheers for removing what speak?

diliberate mistake, its a hanging offence to use txt (text) speak on this forum! atleast it shows the average age of a coupe driver is not 18

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