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Re: Gt28rs . . . .. . . Tooooo . . . . . . GT3071R [Re: Trappy] #839400
27/05/2009 17:33
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Originally Posted By: Trappy
I buying Luke's GT28RS and now wondering if it would be worth having any work down to it prior to fitting. What do we think then guys?


trappy, nothing needs to be done to this turbo along lines of porting etc as tbh i dont think it would be worth it too much, but its upto you. this turbo ran 340bhp with no hassel and was hitting full boost by 3600rpm (1.4bar)

Upto you tho wink

Re: Gt28rs . . . .. . . Tooooo . . . . . . GT3071R [Re: ] #839551
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I would'nt think it will be a problem porting it for peice of mind smile

Wish i could be Ar**d to do mine though laugh

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Re: Gt28rs . . . .. . . Tooooo . . . . . . GT3071R [Re: Flea] #839657
28/05/2009 00:07
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Originally Posted By: westcoupe
its all down to your actuator really


It's got nothing to do with the actuator or boost controller. It's because the wastegate hole is improperly sized and can’t dump enough exhaust gases. Fitting a free flowing exhaust decreases turbo back pressure and increases the chance of boost creep. There are three solutions to cure boost creep:

1. Increase the exhaust back pressure
2. Port the wastegate
3. Go external WG

Originally Posted By: Flea
You shouldn't get it that bad though. I have a full 3" downpipe off the turbo, not a 2.5" tapered downpipe but actual 3" right off the turbo all the way to the decat pipe which is then 2.75"... never had any boost creep, I can run 1bar to the redline.

Mine is a full 3” all the way, I got the taper chopped out when the exhaust was fitted.
2.75” may still be ok but mine only started boost creeping when I got the full 3” system.

Re: Gt28rs . . . .. . . Tooooo . . . . . . GT3071R [Re: ] #839703
28/05/2009 08:15
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well il be heading off to bristol shortly to Flea's soo we will see what happens today laugh

Re: Gt28rs . . . .. . . Tooooo . . . . . . GT3071R [Re: ] #839714
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Jason, have you actually checked your actuator to make sure it is not too tight?

I honestly think you need to look into it as hitting a minimum of 1.7bar at redline is just not normal regardless. There are enough people running these turbos with full 3" systems on coupes and other cars which don't exhibit anything like the boost creep you have. Indeed an extra 0.25" from the cat back is not going to have a significant impact on backpressure.


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Re: Gt28rs . . . .. . . Tooooo . . . . . . GT3071R [Re: Flea] #839729
28/05/2009 09:24
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just go external wastegate and get the noise to boot :-)

Re: Gt28rs . . . .. . . Tooooo . . . . . . GT3071R [Re: Flea] #839752
28/05/2009 09:56
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I assure you the actuator is fine, if I set it to 1.7Bar it will hit that at about 3250rpmish, if I set it to 1bar it will only start to creep up to 1.7bar at 5500rpmish. It’s not a problem for me infact I don't want it fixed wink

Re: Gt28rs . . . .. . . Tooooo . . . . . . GT3071R [Re: ] #839947
28/05/2009 14:03
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tweaking has now turned into full remap wink all will be revealed later laugh

Re: Gt28rs . . . .. . . Tooooo . . . . . . GT3071R [Re: ] #839958
28/05/2009 14:16
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2.0 bar yeh Luke? laugh

Re: Gt28rs . . . .. . . Tooooo . . . . . . GT3071R [Re: ] #839961
28/05/2009 14:20
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nobby dont spoil it for everyone. tongue

Re: Gt28rs . . . .. . . Tooooo . . . . . . GT3071R [Re: ] #839995
28/05/2009 15:09
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have you got bigger injectors or are you still the standard ones

Re: Gt28rs . . . .. . . Tooooo . . . . . . GT3071R [Re: ] #840170
28/05/2009 19:59
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Right well im home finally after doing my chores once back to newbury but anyway. . . i got down to Leightons today with my tools in hand. Had lil chat etc and it JUST so happened that he had brand new set of 440cc injectors sat on the table evil but they would obviously require full remap wont they? wink

but its what we spoke about before anyway and i said yeah go for it. (wallet started to cry cry )

so now im running 440cc's with 3.8bar FPR so plenty of fuel laugh

Leighton mapped my car to 1.2bar, 1.3bar , 1.4/5bar but i have a real bad case of fluctuating boost which is causing the boost to spike to the set limit on blitz eg 1.4bar then its tailing straight off down to nearly 1.2bar right too redline with boost really pulsing between 0.2bar shocked

this turbo should be holding 1.4bar to redline with no worries.
We have ruled out the Blitz controller as it still done it when we quickly tried manual BV .

Sooo me and leighton have put it down to a small boost grr leak somewhere which i think ive had one for ages anyhow. Im getting on the case of finding it once and for all.

BUT i did get on rollers today also wink

and i made 356bhp 296lbs 318wbhp thats with boost spikeing to 1.5 but then tailing off very quickly to 1.2bar so it kills the Torque straight away frown


Also made 338.6 on another run at lower boost than i made same figures at powerstation before.

would put graphs up but dont have a scanner unfortunatly frown

once boost is held 1.4bar all way to redline think it will definatly make another 15/20bhp and maybe bit more torque.

Overall im happy although days costing me alot more than expected. confused

Also too add me and nobby done compression test on tuesday and it was 154 across the board give or take 1/2 psi laugh

Last edited by luke; 28/05/2009 20:26. Reason: compression test
Re: Gt28rs . . . .. . . Tooooo . . . . . . GT3071R [Re: ] #840182
28/05/2009 20:18
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I'd best get myself a better foot pump then eh Luke laugh

Re: Gt28rs . . . .. . . Tooooo . . . . . . GT3071R [Re: ] #840188
28/05/2009 20:23
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yes buddy but im 99.9% sure its from around the doughnuts area inlet/plenum the leak that is wink i might pull the car aprt tomoz afternoon check there not spilt at all confused

Last edited by luke; 28/05/2009 20:26.
Re: Gt28rs . . . .. . . Tooooo . . . . . . GT3071R [Re: ] #840192
28/05/2009 20:28
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Luke sounds very nice figures, bet it drives well. Have you noticed any difference in the lag?
I have the same boost fluctuations as you on my blitz, will get to 1.4bar then fluctuate constantly by 0.2/0.3 bar. I have checked everything and even cleaned out my solenoids (was better for a while) but the same things keeps happening, however mine does stop with a prv (perfect boost just abit laggier).
I am just going down the route of faulty controller so i am going to get a gizzmo next week.

If you find the cause let me know it might be my problem also.

Ash


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Re: Gt28rs . . . .. . . Tooooo . . . . . . GT3071R [Re: ash_p] #840201
28/05/2009 20:48
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Luke - what gain settings are you running on the Blitz?

EDIT - forget that - just re-read your earlier post - it does it with a manual bleed valve

my guess is that its wastegate related - possibly down to lack of backpressure from the bigger turbine housing


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Re: Gt28rs . . . .. . . Tooooo . . . . . . GT3071R [Re: Nigel] #840214
28/05/2009 21:01
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hello luke you 100% have a boost leak and my leak was coming from one of the rings inbetween the plenum and inlet manifold.

Re: Gt28rs . . . .. . . Tooooo . . . . . . GT3071R [Re: ] #840227
28/05/2009 21:12
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well done Luke, nice to hear the engine is still healthy with the compression test. smile

Re: Gt28rs . . . .. . . Tooooo . . . . . . GT3071R [Re: ] #840229
28/05/2009 21:17
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cheers mark, i hear your heading to leighton in the near future tongue

im chuffed with compression as the couoe has been modified for nearly 50,000miles now. (higher than standard that is. sure ruben/rog can back this up of exactly how long.

Re: Gt28rs . . . .. . . Tooooo . . . . . . GT3071R [Re: ] #840234
28/05/2009 21:19
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sure am, should be in the next week or so. Can't wait smile

Re: Gt28rs . . . .. . . Tooooo . . . . . . GT3071R [Re: ] #840283
28/05/2009 22:26
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Originally Posted By: luke


and i made 356bhp 296lbs 318wbhp thats with boost spikeing to 1.5 but then tailing off very quickly to 1.2bar so it kills the Torque straight away frown


If i understand correctly you have only 1.2 bar when you are in the high RPM... so 356HP are reached with only 1.2 bar shocked Great results luke! wink

I'm sure you can make 370HP with 1.4 bar thumb

Re: Gt28rs . . . .. . . Tooooo . . . . . . GT3071R [Re: ] #840297
28/05/2009 22:36
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you dont know at what rpm he made the 356bhp could have been when it was at 1.5 bar wink good results luke especially if the turbos not holding to redline should be alot better when it is.


Re: Gt28rs . . . .. . . Tooooo . . . . . . GT3071R [Re: TurboNick] #840298
28/05/2009 22:37
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yeah its only spikeing to 1.5var and tailing straight off, will put more details up tomoz smile

Re: Gt28rs . . . .. . . Tooooo . . . . . . GT3071R [Re: TurboNick] #840315
28/05/2009 22:57
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Originally Posted By: TurboNick
you dont know at what rpm he made the 356bhp could have been when it was at 1.5 bar wink good results luke especially if the turbos not holding to redline should be alot better when it is.


Yes, that was only a guess. Luke said 1.5 bar was only a spike so i can imagine the boost tails quickly after that and stays at 1.2 bar when max power is reached confused

I'm probably wrong... but i will be happy for Luke if not laugh

Re: Gt28rs . . . .. . . Tooooo . . . . . . GT3071R [Re: ] #840316
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It's a shame about the boost leak, I noticed it straight away when turning up the boost as you can actually feel it when driving with the engine and power pulsing.

Generally though the car is driving nicely smile It was also mapped to 0.8bar which is actuator boost, so four settings on the Blitz. At lower boost it doesn't pulse so it does suggest there is a leak which is exposed as the pressures increase.

I think with a steady boost delivery it should gain another 15-20bhp, so 370bhp+ is the target. It was certainly making more power as the boost was increased, plenty of headroom in the turbo wink


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Re: Gt28rs . . . .. . . Tooooo . . . . . . GT3071R [Re: Flea] #840359
29/05/2009 02:48
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Since you last drove the car with the old turbo did the boost fluctuate?
How much boost were you running before?
And you have only changed the turbo since then, nothing else?

Re: Gt28rs . . . .. . . Tooooo . . . . . . GT3071R [Re: ] #840365
29/05/2009 07:29
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yes j only changed turbo, injectors. its definatly a boost leak from somewhere which needs to be under x amount of pressure to cause the leak as leighton says. the old turbo did do it too but obviously the rs was expected to drop off to redline so i didnt really notice as much.

Re: Gt28rs . . . .. . . Tooooo . . . . . . GT3071R [Re: ] #840386
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Luke - the intake doughnuts can split quite badly, and you can't really see the split when the car is ticking over - however, I reckon as soon as there's some decent boost, the split will be dumping loads of air

Remember mine?

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The difference was considerable after they were replaced


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Re: Gt28rs . . . .. . . Tooooo . . . . . . GT3071R [Re: Nigel] #840518
29/05/2009 13:16
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yeah i remeber well im gonna spens afternoon trying to sort out the reason wink

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Any chance of a dyno print out this time Luke?


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