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Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1483845
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Nope, didn't have any on mine either!

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Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1483855
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The mounts appear to be symmetrical, if that's the case then how can it matter which way round they go?

Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1483859
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Ask about this problem to frenchs friends, and they says that the inversion between left and right only modify the caster, not the camber...

Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1483885
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Should be correct..

Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1483910
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Verdict friday evening, camber gauge is on the way...

Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1483977
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Freddan, your pictures don't open for me so I can't see how you have the top mount configured but look at Begbies original picture of the top mount compared to the one 5 posts above, the locking bolts are in a different position and moved closer together.
With them further apart you will only get around 1 deg of negative, move them closer together and you should be able to achieve a better angle.

Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1484013
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Jimbo, Freddan's picture has the 2 bolts closer together like in the other photo I posted.


Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1484052
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Ah ok, apologies, for some reason it's being blocked over here?

Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1484062
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Ok, just used a VPN to look at the picture and it worked, it looks to me as if the locking bolts are spaced around 10 increments apart on Fredans picture, the picture of Begbies installed dampers they bolts are only around 5 increments apart.
Double check this Fredan, it could be a simple fix and no need to remove them from the car.

Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1484593
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Jimbo, if you look again, you will see a tiny black dot on the black outer ring. This is the marker used to determine the camber that has been set. On Freddan's his is all the way over on the markings, whereas, mine isn't smile


Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1485199
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Originally Posted By: Begbie
Jimbo, if you look again, you will see a tiny black dot on the black outer ring. This is the marker used to determine the camber that has been set. On Freddan's his is all the way over on the markings, whereas, mine isn't smile
Are you sure you have -1 degree? I mean have you been to a wheel alignment shop and checked it?


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Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1485223
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Final verdict for me with the camber gauge :

Bc kit offers 1.2 degrees maximum (with plate and elongated hole set to the maximum).

Plate offer 0.8° (due to the strut conception) and elongated hole 0.4°(what a joke, why they haven't made it larger?!)

Only good points for these : weight is 6 kilos under the FK silverline X and they're really more comfortable on the road.

So i've just to elongate the hole more or buy some camber bolts. Thank you mister BC!


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Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1485239
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Kevin i have camber bolts if you need/want them.
I am in Mortagne Sur Gironde at the moment but could post them on Friday next.



Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1485263
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Hi Joseph,

It's really kind, i'll keep you in touch. ;-)

Your always welcome to Sauveterre de Guyenne, if want to take the Apero!!! ;-)

Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Freddan72] #1485462
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Originally Posted By: Freddan72
Originally Posted By: Begbie
Jimbo, if you look again, you will see a tiny black dot on the black outer ring. This is the marker used to determine the camber that has been set. On Freddan's his is all the way over on the markings, whereas, mine isn't smile
Are you sure you have -1 degree? I mean have you been to a wheel alignment shop and checked it?

No, thought I would just do it by eye laugh Of course I've had it checked. I took it to a shop for setting the toe and camber.


Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1485563
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I just don't get it really. Why can't I get more camber frown
Are there any differences to the shell between 16vt and 20vt......?


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Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1485680
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I'd be looking at where the hubs mount into the front dampers and be comparing bolt hole position with Begbie, that's the only other place the camber can be adjusted.

Unless you have a slightly shorter wishbone that doesn't quite match OE spec?

Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1486236
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I will check the wishbones. I have Febi Bilstein. Changed them in 2007.


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Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Freddan72] #1487874
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So, it’s recently been suggested to me that my combined braking and handling problems could be down to worn shocks. This being the case, I may soon be on the market for a new set to replace my current Bilstein / Eibach set-up and this is my first point of call.

To those that took part in the thread, I’m sure it all makes perfect sense, but I’ve just read through the whole thing and, to be honest, I’m still not entirely sure if this is a ‘go-er’ or not…

I see a number of issues or items that were raised during ‘customer testing’ as follows:
• Springs potentially not adequately secured
• Various spring sizes tested (210mm, 200mm, 180mm) with no confirmation of a ‘final’
• Confusion on whether Dust covers were required or not
• The question of weather proofing was asked but not sufficiently answered
• Left or Right side indication was not always present

Have all of these been resolved?
Have customers that had issues been satisfied with answers or fixes since?
Is the kit essentially ‘plug and play’ or do any other parts need to be fitted at the same time?

Is there a full description of the adjustment possible using these coilovers? I’ve read a lot about variable damping and spring rates independent of ride height but it’s all mixed up in a forum thread. From what I can see on the website linked to, to buy from, this isn’t explained.

It looks like a fantastic piece of kit but I can’t help but feel that the whole thread just… stopped until Freddan came back with his camber issues.

What’s the crack peeps?


F****** b****** thing...
Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Trappy] #1487940
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Originally Posted By: Trappy


• Springs potentially not adequately secured

Springs are secured (they cannot leave their emplacement but they have some play when the Coop is on the lift. Nothing problematic, but a bit strange compare to my old FK silverline kit, where the spring support was bolted to the subframe.

• Various spring sizes tested (210mm, 200mm, 180mm) with no confirmation of a ‘final’

I haven't mesure them, but no problem with the lenght (cf upper).

• Confusion on whether Dust covers were required or not

BC says that it is normal that there is no dust cover on the new design kit. For the moment, no problem for me but i've done a very low mileage with it. Wait and see...

• The question of weather proofing was asked but not sufficiently answered

The entire kit is well finished, treated and painted.
In my opinion, the best way to resist corrosion and weather is to go to pure stainless steel like FK's. A scratch on BC's paint is a potential way to rust. They need to be clean often (it's specified on the manual) especcialy on winter.


• Left or Right side indication was not always present

In mine (very recent kit made on March 2014) Left and Right side are indicated. BUT there is a problem because the setting proposed is not good. The plates aren't symmetrical and they aren't offering the same caster angle.
With the "Indicated Left" plate set on the right, you obtain a more important caster angle, which is better for handling.
I had some pictures to make it more understable. ;-)



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Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1487941
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Originally Posted By: Begbie
Nope, didn't have any on mine either!

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I think my kit is a new design cause mine aren't symmetrical like Freddan's... It explain why mine are "left and right" indicated but not why the good setup (which offer the best caster angle) is inverted...

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Re: New make of coilovers [Re: ] #1494531
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Track day!!

On Friday last week I visited a small track called Kinnekulle Ring. I adjusted the coilovers during three sessions in the morning. My car is setup to work okay on both street and track.

Summary of the day:

Final setup

Front dampers: 9 clicks from hard
Rear dampers: 7 clicks from hard

Front camber: -1 degree
Toe: 0

Rear ARB: 22 mm

Tire: old Toyo R888 225/45 16"

Front springs and damping are okay. More negative camber and more toe out would help a lot.
The rear springs are too soft for track days. I am investigating to see if I can use a harder spring with current damper.

On the road the car is very nice and stable with this setup. Feels solid. I think BC Racing coilovers is far better than Bilstein + Eibach combo.

Before next track day I will buy new tires and maybe add some more negative camber smile

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Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1494690
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Hi Freddan,

I've tested the BC for 2 days and 230 kms on a very good track in France (pole mécanique d'Ales), very technical.

http://www.pole-mecanique.com/portal/portal/polemeca/circuits/vitesse

I'm very please with the set up, and in my opinion rear springs are perfect for trackday.
The under-steering completely disappear and a bit of oversteer appears on big brakings and throttle release in curves.
It make me very happy cause it's perfectly controllable, and help for the car positioning before curves.


Front dampers: 7 clicks from hard
Rear dampers: 8 clicks from hard

Front camber: -2.3 degree
Toe in: 1mm

Rear ARB: 22 mm

Tire: New RSR595 Federal

Hope it can help a bit!

Kévin laugh

Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1495349
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Hey guys,

So I am looking to replace my suspension soon. How does the BC setup fair on the road in the real world?

What's the ride quality like on crap UK roads littered with pot holes and speed bumps?

Can the height be adjusted to near standard?

I am currently running on Osrav non-adjustable shocks (uprated 30%)and lowered springs (unknown brand) and the car is too low and too crashy.

I do one or two trackdays a year so would like to adjust to suit when required, but the majority of my driving is around the crappy roads of Oldham so I need a setup that is more comfortable than I currently have.

Stu


Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1508523
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hi,
Which set of coilovers is the best? Which kit fits plug & play?
Interested in coilovers with adjustable hardness.

How hardness is controlled from a set of rear shock D2?

Is the camber plate from BC Racing are now changed or still need to drill new holes?

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Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Freddan72] #1509868
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Originally Posted By: Freddan72
Originally Posted By: Begbie
Jimbo, if you look again, you will see a tiny black dot on the black outer ring. This is the marker used to determine the camber that has been set. On Freddan's his is all the way over on the markings, whereas, mine isn't smile
Are you sure you have -1 degree? I mean have you been to a wheel alignment shop and checked it?

After confusing you with Per at Spa, I had my alignment done last week and it was reset to -1 on both sides, with still plenty of adjustment to go


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Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1510012
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Haha smile Spa would be nice. Maybe next year.

I only managed to get -1.2 with coilovers. I had to add the camber bolts for more camber. Now I have -2.5.

I don't understand why you can get so much more camber with just the coilovers. Weard!!! crazy


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Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1519892
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Wich of the springratings did you buy Freddan?

Re: New make of coilovers [Re: Begbie] #1520256
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6kg front and rear.


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Any updates with the BC coilovers?


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