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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Begbie] #1409633 07/02/2013 21:44 07/02/2013 21:44
J johnnybravoturbo Unregistered
johnnybravoturbo Unregistered J	Hopefully Dave you'll never have to go through what some of the high powered boys did. Maybe St. John has learned from his mistakes.

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Begbie] #1409635 07/02/2013 21:47 07/02/2013 21:47
Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 141 East yorkshire sherlock On a journey
sherlock On a journey Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 141 East yorkshire	Congrats on all the results! What was the issue running the standard ecu? Last edited by sherlock; 07/02/2013 22:00. Reason: Added my congratulations!

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: ] #1409639 07/02/2013 22:01 07/02/2013 22:01
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,405 Castle Combe Flea Forum is my life
Flea Forum is my life Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,405 Castle Combe	Originally Posted By: johnnybravoturbo Hopefully Dave you'll never have to go through what some of the high powered boys did. Maybe St. John has learned from his mistakes. I'm sorry?? Which big powered boys, what mistakes?

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Begbie] #1409640 07/02/2013 22:09 07/02/2013 22:09
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,405 Castle Combe Flea Forum is my life
Flea Forum is my life Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,405 Castle Combe	Actually don't bother replying, I couldn't care for all this anymore. The evidence is there, not my evidence either.

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Flea] #1409641 07/02/2013 22:09 07/02/2013 22:09
G group5lancia Unregistered
group5lancia Unregistered G	Originally Posted By: Flea DLT mentioned the AFRs and ECUs, so I have compiled a few graphs of Barbz's car as it has been on Surrey RR more than any other. This is Barbz's last Surrey RR graph with the 2.4 before his engine spun number three big end bearing. Same turbo as the current 2 litre setup with 1.45bar, mapped by me on the factory Bosch ECU. If we overlay the torque and BHP curves we can see the difference between the old and new set-ups. As for the air fuel ratios, well over the last couple of years I have mapped Barbz's car on a few different setups and turbos, all of which have been on Surrey RR's dyno. Jan 2011 - GT3076R turbo @ 1.3bar March 2011 - GT3076R turbo @ 1.3bar May 2011 - GT3076R turbo @ 1.3bar December 2011 - GTX3076R turbo @ 1.45bar Fuelling Jan 2011 looks great.. Fuelling May 2011 looks naff - what went wrong?

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Begbie] #1409644 07/02/2013 22:19 07/02/2013 22:19
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,405 Castle Combe Flea Forum is my life
Flea Forum is my life Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,405 Castle Combe	Naff??? Take a look again???

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Begbie] #1409652 07/02/2013 22:38 07/02/2013 22:38
J johnnybravoturbo Unregistered
johnnybravoturbo Unregistered J	Sorry flea Didnt mean any offence,just hoping Daves car goes ok.

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Flea] #1409653 07/02/2013 22:41 07/02/2013 22:41
G group5lancia Unregistered
group5lancia Unregistered G	Originally Posted By: Flea Naff??? Take a look again??? Well, if you can't see the problem, maybe that's the problem!

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Begbie] #1409657 07/02/2013 22:45 07/02/2013 22:45
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,405 Castle Combe Flea Forum is my life
Flea Forum is my life Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,405 Castle Combe	Indeed, so I will defer to you.

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: ] #1409660 07/02/2013 22:50 07/02/2013 22:50
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 548 Oxford Sean_C Enjoying the ride
Sean_C Enjoying the ride Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 548 Oxford	Originally Posted By: group5lancia Originally Posted By: Flea Naff??? Take a look again??? Well, if you can't see the problem, maybe that's the problem! Please explain Enjoying Coop ownership, second time round . Also enjoying RWD action in a thundering V8 E90 M3.

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: ] #1409671 07/02/2013 23:18 07/02/2013 23:18
Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 268 Swansea DLT Making a profit
DLT Making a profit Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 268 Swansea	Originally Posted By: johnnybravoturbo Hopefully Dave you'll never have to go through what some of the high powered boys did. Maybe St. John has learned from his mistakes. Thanks John. I don't know what problems you speak of, however I have had my share with this car in fairness. Having to pay for a full rebuild and the replacement of the forged internals being the main one. I don't know the exact reason for this just yet, but Leighton has a video from when the engine was stripped down which apparently makes interesting viewing.

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: ] #1409675 07/02/2013 23:23 07/02/2013 23:23
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,405 Castle Combe Flea Forum is my life
Flea Forum is my life Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,405 Castle Combe	Originally Posted By: group5lancia Fuelling Jan 2011 looks great.. Fuelling May 2011 looks naff - what went wrong? Originally Posted By: group5lancia Originally Posted By: Flea Naff??? Take a look again??? Well, if you can't see the problem, maybe that's the problem! Code: Jan May 2500 14.2 14.7 3000 14.4 14.7 3500 13.8 14.4 4000 12.7 13.2 4500 11.8 12.3 5000 11.8 12.2 5500 11.8 12.0 6000 11.8 11.6 6500 12.2 11.8 7000 12.2 11.8 7500 11.8 Sorry which one was great and which one was naff??

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Flea] #1409680 07/02/2013 23:45 07/02/2013 23:45
G group5lancia Unregistered
group5lancia Unregistered G	Originally Posted By: Flea Originally Posted By: group5lancia Fuelling Jan 2011 looks great.. Fuelling May 2011 looks naff - what went wrong? Originally Posted By: group5lancia Originally Posted By: Flea Naff??? Take a look again??? Well, if you can't see the problem, maybe that's the problem! Code: Jan May 2500 14.2 14.7 3000 14.4 14.7 3500 13.8 14.4 4000 12.7 13.2 4500 11.8 12.3 5000 11.8 12.2 5500 11.8 12.0 6000 11.8 11.6 6500 12.2 11.8 7000 12.2 11.8 7500 11.8 Sorry which one was great and which one was naff?? You tell me - they can't BOTH be spot on... So which one do you consider you got best? Peak variance is 8% - that's quite a lot... p.s. in May I see the richest is <11.6 between 5900 and 6200 - or am I reading the graph wrong? Code: 2500 14.2 14.7 103.52% 3000 14.4 14.7 102.08% 3500 13.8 14.4 104.35% 4000 12.7 13.2 103.94% 4500 11.8 12.3 104.24% 5000 11.8 12.2 103.39% 5500 11.8 12 101.69% 6000 11.8 11.6 98.31% 6500 12.2 11.8 96.72% 7000 12.2 11.8 96.72% Last edited by group5lancia; 07/02/2013 23:54.

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: DLT] #1409727 08/02/2013 07:52 08/02/2013 07:52
J johnnybravoturbo Unregistered
johnnybravoturbo Unregistered J	Originally Posted By: DLT Originally Posted By: johnnybravoturbo Hopefully Dave you'll never have to go through what some of the high powered boys did. Maybe St. John has learned from his mistakes. Thanks John. I don't know what problems you speak of, however I have had my share with this car in fairness. Having to pay for a full rebuild and the replacement of the forged internals being the main one. I don't know the exact reason for this just yet, but Leighton has a video from when the engine was stripped down which apparently makes interesting viewing. That would be interesting as Barbz has videos of it being built.I guess any engines only as strong as the air and fuel mix. Shame as its still the quickest engine down Santa pod. Looking forward to seeing the results as this will be the best 2.4 ever. Be nice to compare it with my graphs.

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: ] #1409753 08/02/2013 10:07 08/02/2013 10:07
Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 268 Swansea DLT Making a profit
DLT Making a profit Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 268 Swansea	Originally Posted By: johnnybravoturbo Looking forward to seeing the results as this will be the best 2.4 ever. Be nice to compare it with my graphs. You and me both! Unfortunately the purse strings have had to be pulled in a bit due to having 2 hefty mortgages (long storey). This has meant I have had to compromise in certain areas like wastegate, manifold and exhaust. It's a shame, but I don't think your top spot will be challenged

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: ] #1409938 09/02/2013 12:08 09/02/2013 12:08
T TurboJ Unregistered
TurboJ Unregistered T	Originally Posted By: Barbz Quote: 9 Years and no deal on an S8 Hello Jay Longtime, i heard you been a busy lad . We need to catch up sometime soon... Yes, got a proper deal on S80 mate, thanks. Very very busy, no time to come on here, even to sell my own engine Charlie mentioned that he had a Coupe day so though id have a nose about. Now you know i mean S8 and NOT S80 Please drop me a PM with your number and we'd catch up. Nice work on the car BTW must be brutal!

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: ] #1410135 10/02/2013 18:30 10/02/2013 18:30
G group5lancia Unregistered
group5lancia Unregistered G	The silence is deafening.... Originally Posted By: group5lancia Originally Posted By: Flea Originally Posted By: group5lancia Fuelling Jan 2011 looks great.. Fuelling May 2011 looks naff - what went wrong? Originally Posted By: group5lancia Originally Posted By: Flea Naff??? Take a look again??? Well, if you can't see the problem, maybe that's the problem! Code: Jan May 2500 14.2 14.7 3000 14.4 14.7 3500 13.8 14.4 4000 12.7 13.2 4500 11.8 12.3 5000 11.8 12.2 5500 11.8 12.0 6000 11.8 11.6 6500 12.2 11.8 7000 12.2 11.8 7500 11.8 Sorry which one was great and which one was naff?? You tell me - they can't BOTH be spot on... So which one do you consider you got best? Peak variance is 8% - that's quite a lot... p.s. in May I see the richest is <11.6 between 5900 and 6200 - or am I reading the graph wrong? Code: 2500 14.2 14.7 103.52% 3000 14.4 14.7 102.08% 3500 13.8 14.4 104.35% 4000 12.7 13.2 103.94% 4500 11.8 12.3 104.24% 5000 11.8 12.2 103.39% 5500 11.8 12 101.69% 6000 11.8 11.6 98.31% 6500 12.2 11.8 96.72% 7000 12.2 11.8 96.72%

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Begbie] #1410194 10/02/2013 21:48 10/02/2013 21:48
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,405 Castle Combe Flea Forum is my life
Flea Forum is my life Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,405 Castle Combe	Originally Posted By: group5lancia The silence is deafening.... Indeed, although if you haven't figured it out yet then I fear you may end up permanently deaf.

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Flea] #1410276 11/02/2013 12:11 11/02/2013 12:11
G group5lancia Unregistered
group5lancia Unregistered G	Originally Posted By: Flea Originally Posted By: group5lancia The silence is deafening.... Indeed, although if you haven't figured it out yet then I fear you may end up permanently deaf. Well I can't see how they can both be right on the same engine... if I could figure out what you are saying I wouldn't ask for an explanation. and my ears are definitely able to hear at normal sound levels... Last edited by group5lancia; 11/02/2013 12:23.

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Begbie] #1410355 11/02/2013 18:29 11/02/2013 18:29
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,405 Castle Combe Flea Forum is my life
Flea Forum is my life Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,405 Castle Combe	Well that's the rub of it, you don't see, you don't understand. If you can't figure it out without my help, then clearly you are not in a position to comment. Perhaps next time you'll think again before declaring something is "naff".

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Begbie] #1410365 11/02/2013 19:27 11/02/2013 19:27
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,065 Southsea G Gunzi Club member 189, Former Club President
Gunzi Club member 189, Former Club President Je suis un Coupé G Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,065 Southsea	I'm no video expert, or youtube premium user, but here are some videos of the day. Barbz on the rollers. Pero on the rollers. and to top it off experience the might of the lowest powered Coupe on the day... My Coupe on the rollers.

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Begbie] #1410368 11/02/2013 19:45 11/02/2013 19:45
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 21,981 Aldershot PeteP Hon Club Member 005, Membership Secretary
PeteP Hon Club Member 005, Membership Secretary Forum Fossil Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 21,981 Aldershot	<Moderator>Can you please keep the handbags off this thread.</moderator> Not aimed at you Chris. 16VT and X1/9 1500 We must all do our part for the planet. I unplugged a row of electric cars that nobody was using. I even unplugged my own.

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Gunzi] #1410423 11/02/2013 22:48 11/02/2013 22:48
B Barbz Unregistered
Barbz Unregistered B	Been a bit blase about power figures over the last couple of years and i must admit those are stonking HP figures at such low boost levels, on Heartbreaker also. I miss my 2.4 even more now! Maybe its time to make a come back, bigger and badder?

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: ] #1410444 12/02/2013 07:47 12/02/2013 07:47
B Barbz Unregistered
Barbz Unregistered B	Quote: Originally Posted By: Flea DLT mentioned the AFRs and ECUs, so I have compiled a few graphs of Barbz's car as it has been on Surrey RR more than any other. This is Barbz's last Surrey RR graph with the 2.4 before his engine spun number three big end bearing. Same turbo as the current 2 litre setup with 1.45bar, mapped by me on the factory Bosch ECU. If we overlay the torque and BHP curves we can see the difference between the old and new set-ups. As for the air fuel ratios, well over the last couple of years I have mapped Barbz's car on a few different setups and turbos, all of which have been on Surrey RR's dyno. Jan 2011 - GT3076R turbo @ 1.3bar March 2011 - GT3076R turbo @ 1.3bar May 2011 - GT3076R turbo @ 1.3bar December 2011 - GTX3076R turbo @ 1.45bar All runs were done in 3rd gear also. Did do May's run in 4th to see what the fuss was all about, so i left it in 3rd Fueling also becomes richer in the higher gears especially on the road, 4th gear onwards. Last edited by Barbz; 12/02/2013 07:47.

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: ] #1410856 14/02/2013 09:32 14/02/2013 09:32
B Barbz Unregistered
Barbz Unregistered B	Quote: Now you know i mean S8 and NOT S80 Oh yes i do . Excellent bit of kit Will be doing some stuff with this in March. . Nissan GTR R35 application is AWESOME. Last edited by Barbz; 14/02/2013 09:33.

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: ] #1413595 01/03/2013 08:23 01/03/2013 08:23
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,194 Göteborg, Sweden Freddan72 Competition Level
Freddan72 Competition Level Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,194 Göteborg, Sweden	Originally Posted By: Biggenz My mate Emmanuel with his Coupe made 395bhp 320lbft @ 1.6bar. This must be the record for a car with stock internals! Do you remember how many wheel HP & wheel lbft it did? Coupé Fiat 20V Turbo Plus 1999, T19 Mitsubishi turbo https://youtu.be/O9qrLj3Ap00 Now FCP Stage3!

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Begbie] #1420665 08/04/2013 13:22 08/04/2013 13:22
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,065 Southsea G Gunzi Club member 189, Former Club President
Gunzi Club member 189, Former Club President Je suis un Coupé G Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,065 Southsea	Chaps, I spoke with Phil Ward recently and he assured me he is going to run with the Rolling Road day. He said the format will be a supplement of a feature on his own 20VT and will focus on Barbz, Peros and Jacks cars. He wants a short piece from the three of you listing all your mods and a brief history about the car, when you bought it, what it's like to drive, how long you've had it etc. I'll be sending the three of you a PM with this request as well to be sure you read it! He was hoping to go to print before Brooklands, but said that may not happen. Chris

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Begbie] #1420793 08/04/2013 20:38 08/04/2013 20:38
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,904 Poland deannn_20VT My life on the forum
deannn_20VT My life on the forum Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,904 Poland	Absolutely amazing news, Chris! I have just replied to your PM with my story and am looking forward to reading the article www.jacksonracing.pl

Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results [Re: Begbie] #1427115 13/05/2013 14:41 13/05/2013 14:41
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,065 Southsea G Gunzi Club member 189, Former Club President
Gunzi Club member 189, Former Club President Je suis un Coupé G Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,065 Southsea	I have had an Email from Phil at Auto Italia today telling me the 4 page feature will run in the July issue of AI out on 6th June. It will feature his Coupe as well as Barbz, Pero and Jack's. Eyes peeled on the 6th June!

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