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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results
[Re: Begbie]
#1409633
07/02/2013 22:44
07/02/2013 22:44
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johnnybravoturbo
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Hopefully Dave you'll never have to go through what some of the high powered boys did. Maybe St. John has learned from his mistakes.
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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results
[Re: Begbie]
#1409635
07/02/2013 22:47
07/02/2013 22:47
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sherlock
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Congrats on all the results!
What was the issue running the standard ecu?
Last edited by sherlock; 07/02/2013 23:00. Reason: Added my congratulations!
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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results
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07/02/2013 23:01
07/02/2013 23:01
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Flea
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Hopefully Dave you'll never have to go through what some of the high powered boys did. Maybe St. John has learned from his mistakes. I'm sorry?? Which big powered boys, what mistakes?
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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results
[Re: Flea]
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07/02/2013 23:09
07/02/2013 23:09
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group5lancia
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DLT mentioned the AFRs and ECUs, so I have compiled a few graphs of Barbz's car as it has been on Surrey RR more than any other. This is Barbz's last Surrey RR graph with the 2.4 before his engine spun number three big end bearing. Same turbo as the current 2 litre setup with 1.45bar, mapped by me on the factory Bosch ECU. If we overlay the torque and BHP curves we can see the difference between the old and new set-ups. As for the air fuel ratios, well over the last couple of years I have mapped Barbz's car on a few different setups and turbos, all of which have been on Surrey RR's dyno. Jan 2011 - GT3076R turbo @ 1.3bar March 2011 - GT3076R turbo @ 1.3bar May 2011 - GT3076R turbo @ 1.3bar December 2011 - GTX3076R turbo @ 1.45bar Fuelling Jan 2011 looks great.. Fuelling May 2011 looks naff - what went wrong?
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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results
[Re: Begbie]
#1409652
07/02/2013 23:38
07/02/2013 23:38
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johnnybravoturbo
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Sorry flea Didnt mean any offence,just hoping Daves car goes ok.
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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results
[Re: Flea]
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07/02/2013 23:41
07/02/2013 23:41
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group5lancia
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group5lancia
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Naff??? Take a look again??? Well, if you can't see the problem, maybe that's the problem!
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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results
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07/02/2013 23:50
07/02/2013 23:50
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Sean_C
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Enjoying the ride
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Naff??? Take a look again??? Well, if you can't see the problem, maybe that's the problem! Please explain
Enjoying Coop ownership, second time round . Also enjoying RWD action in a thundering V8 E90 M3.
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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results
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08/02/2013 00:18
08/02/2013 00:18
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Posts: 268 Swansea
DLT
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Making a profit
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Hopefully Dave you'll never have to go through what some of the high powered boys did. Maybe St. John has learned from his mistakes. Thanks John. I don't know what problems you speak of, however I have had my share with this car in fairness. Having to pay for a full rebuild and the replacement of the forged internals being the main one. I don't know the exact reason for this just yet, but Leighton has a video from when the engine was stripped down which apparently makes interesting viewing.
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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results
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08/02/2013 00:23
08/02/2013 00:23
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Flea
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Fuelling Jan 2011 looks great.. Fuelling May 2011 looks naff - what went wrong? Naff??? Take a look again??? Well, if you can't see the problem, maybe that's the problem!
Jan May
2500 14.2 14.7
3000 14.4 14.7
3500 13.8 14.4
4000 12.7 13.2
4500 11.8 12.3
5000 11.8 12.2
5500 11.8 12.0
6000 11.8 11.6
6500 12.2 11.8
7000 12.2 11.8
7500 11.8
Sorry which one was great and which one was naff??
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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results
[Re: Flea]
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08/02/2013 00:45
08/02/2013 00:45
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group5lancia
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group5lancia
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Fuelling Jan 2011 looks great.. Fuelling May 2011 looks naff - what went wrong? Naff??? Take a look again??? Well, if you can't see the problem, maybe that's the problem!
Jan May
2500 14.2 14.7
3000 14.4 14.7
3500 13.8 14.4
4000 12.7 13.2
4500 11.8 12.3
5000 11.8 12.2
5500 11.8 12.0
6000 11.8 11.6
6500 12.2 11.8
7000 12.2 11.8
7500 11.8
Sorry which one was great and which one was naff?? You tell me - they can't BOTH be spot on... So which one do you consider you got best? Peak variance is 8% - that's quite a lot... p.s. in May I see the richest is <11.6 between 5900 and 6200 - or am I reading the graph wrong?
2500 14.2 14.7 103.52%
3000 14.4 14.7 102.08%
3500 13.8 14.4 104.35%
4000 12.7 13.2 103.94%
4500 11.8 12.3 104.24%
5000 11.8 12.2 103.39%
5500 11.8 12 101.69%
6000 11.8 11.6 98.31%
6500 12.2 11.8 96.72%
7000 12.2 11.8 96.72%
Last edited by group5lancia; 08/02/2013 00:54.
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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results
[Re: DLT]
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08/02/2013 08:52
08/02/2013 08:52
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johnnybravoturbo
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Hopefully Dave you'll never have to go through what some of the high powered boys did. Maybe St. John has learned from his mistakes. Thanks John. I don't know what problems you speak of, however I have had my share with this car in fairness. Having to pay for a full rebuild and the replacement of the forged internals being the main one. I don't know the exact reason for this just yet, but Leighton has a video from when the engine was stripped down which apparently makes interesting viewing. That would be interesting as Barbz has videos of it being built.I guess any engines only as strong as the air and fuel mix. Shame as its still the quickest engine down Santa pod. Looking forward to seeing the results as this will be the best 2.4 ever. Be nice to compare it with my graphs.
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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results
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08/02/2013 11:07
08/02/2013 11:07
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DLT
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Looking forward to seeing the results as this will be the best 2.4 ever.
Be nice to compare it with my graphs.
You and me both! Unfortunately the purse strings have had to be pulled in a bit due to having 2 hefty mortgages (long storey). This has meant I have had to compromise in certain areas like wastegate, manifold and exhaust. It's a shame, but I don't think your top spot will be challenged
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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results
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09/02/2013 13:08
09/02/2013 13:08
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TurboJ
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9 Years and no deal on an S8 Hello Jay Longtime, i heard you been a busy lad . We need to catch up sometime soon... Yes, got a proper deal on S80 mate, thanks. Very very busy, no time to come on here, even to sell my own engine Charlie mentioned that he had a Coupe day so though id have a nose about. Now you know i mean S8 and NOT S80 Please drop me a PM with your number and we'd catch up. Nice work on the car BTW must be brutal!
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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results
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10/02/2013 19:30
10/02/2013 19:30
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group5lancia
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group5lancia
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The silence is deafening.... Fuelling Jan 2011 looks great.. Fuelling May 2011 looks naff - what went wrong? Naff??? Take a look again??? Well, if you can't see the problem, maybe that's the problem!
Jan May
2500 14.2 14.7
3000 14.4 14.7
3500 13.8 14.4
4000 12.7 13.2
4500 11.8 12.3
5000 11.8 12.2
5500 11.8 12.0
6000 11.8 11.6
6500 12.2 11.8
7000 12.2 11.8
7500 11.8
Sorry which one was great and which one was naff?? You tell me - they can't BOTH be spot on... So which one do you consider you got best? Peak variance is 8% - that's quite a lot... p.s. in May I see the richest is <11.6 between 5900 and 6200 - or am I reading the graph wrong?
2500 14.2 14.7 103.52%
3000 14.4 14.7 102.08%
3500 13.8 14.4 104.35%
4000 12.7 13.2 103.94%
4500 11.8 12.3 104.24%
5000 11.8 12.2 103.39%
5500 11.8 12 101.69%
6000 11.8 11.6 98.31%
6500 12.2 11.8 96.72%
7000 12.2 11.8 96.72%
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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results
[Re: Begbie]
#1410194
10/02/2013 22:48
10/02/2013 22:48
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Flea
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The silence is deafening.... Indeed, although if you haven't figured it out yet then I fear you may end up permanently deaf.
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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results
[Re: Flea]
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11/02/2013 13:11
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group5lancia
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group5lancia
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The silence is deafening.... Indeed, although if you haven't figured it out yet then I fear you may end up permanently deaf. Well I can't see how they can both be right on the same engine... if I could figure out what you are saying I wouldn't ask for an explanation. and my ears are definitely able to hear at normal sound levels...
Last edited by group5lancia; 11/02/2013 13:23.
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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results
[Re: Begbie]
#1410368
11/02/2013 20:45
11/02/2013 20:45
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Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 21,512 Aldershot
PeteP
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<Moderator>Can you please keep the handbags off this thread.</moderator>
Not aimed at you Chris.
16VT and X1/9 1500
We must all do our part for the planet. I unplugged a row of electric cars that nobody was using.
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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results
[Re: Gunzi]
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11/02/2013 23:48
11/02/2013 23:48
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Barbz
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Barbz
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Been a bit blase about power figures over the last couple of years and i must admit those are stonking HP figures at such low boost levels, on Heartbreaker also. I miss my 2.4 even more now! Maybe its time to make a come back, bigger and badder?
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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results
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12/02/2013 08:47
12/02/2013 08:47
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Barbz
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Barbz
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Originally Posted By: Flea
DLT mentioned the AFRs and ECUs, so I have compiled a few graphs of Barbz's car as it has been on Surrey RR more than any other.
This is Barbz's last Surrey RR graph with the 2.4 before his engine spun number three big end bearing. Same turbo as the current 2 litre setup with 1.45bar, mapped by me on the factory Bosch ECU.
If we overlay the torque and BHP curves we can see the difference between the old and new set-ups.
As for the air fuel ratios, well over the last couple of years I have mapped Barbz's car on a few different setups and turbos, all of which have been on Surrey RR's dyno.
Jan 2011 - GT3076R turbo @ 1.3bar
March 2011 - GT3076R turbo @ 1.3bar
May 2011 - GT3076R turbo @ 1.3bar
December 2011 - GTX3076R turbo @ 1.45bar
All runs were done in 3rd gear also. Did do May's run in 4th to see what the fuss was all about, so i left it in 3rd Fueling also becomes richer in the higher gears especially on the road, 4th gear onwards.
Last edited by Barbz; 12/02/2013 08:47.
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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results
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14/02/2013 10:32
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Barbz
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Barbz
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Now you know i mean S8 and NOT S80 Oh yes i do . Excellent bit of kit Will be doing some stuff with this in March. . Nissan GTR R35 application is AWESOME.
Last edited by Barbz; 14/02/2013 10:33.
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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results
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01/03/2013 09:23
01/03/2013 09:23
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Posts: 2,194 Göteborg, Sweden
Freddan72
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My mate Emmanuel with his Coupe made
395bhp 320lbft @ 1.6bar.
This must be the record for a car with stock internals! Do you remember how many wheel HP & wheel lbft it did?
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Re: Surrey RR - 2nd Feb 2013 - Results
[Re: Begbie]
#1420665
08/04/2013 14:22
08/04/2013 14:22
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Posts: 8,057 Southsea
Gunzi
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Je suis un Coupé
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Chaps,
I spoke with Phil Ward recently and he assured me he is going to run with the Rolling Road day. He said the format will be a supplement of a feature on his own 20VT and will focus on Barbz, Peros and Jacks cars.
He wants a short piece from the three of you listing all your mods and a brief history about the car, when you bought it, what it's like to drive, how long you've had it etc.
I'll be sending the three of you a PM with this request as well to be sure you read it!
He was hoping to go to print before Brooklands, but said that may not happen.
Chris
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