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Re: An open letter to Mr Farage and his apologists
[Re: barnacle]
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09/03/2017 09:01
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TbirdX
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"a continued erosion of UK citizens rights"
I'm curious to know which of your rights are being continuously eroded?
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Re: An open letter to Mr Farage and his apologists
[Re: barnacle]
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09/03/2017 12:10
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My right to access the law and seek redress against the State....an inability to gain legal aid for many cases and the prohibitive rising costs of litigation e.g employment matters, family matters, Tribunals etc.
The destruction of collective bargaining and Trade Unionism, the erosion of workers and consumers rights...note the Tory Govt refuses to confirm this will be enshrined in any future Acts post Brexit and their total inaction with regards to issues such as zero hour contracts. The loss of in work benefits. The rise once again of Mercantilism.
Routine rather than targeted surveillance by the SIS's, the continued curbing of freedom of expression and protest, closed courts etc.
The UK's desire post Brexit not to commit to future pollution targets....odd since NO2 levels in London were above their yearly target in just 4 days and the continued impact this will have on the populations' health.
The huge amount of Secondary Legislation passed into Law each year never having been debated by our elected representatives nor forming any part of a Government's manifesto....an 'elected dictatorship.'
The future inability to seek redress with the ECJ against UK Government rulings and legislation which infringes rights or freedoms.
The repeal of The Human Rights Act, loss of the ECHR and a replacement Bill of Rights which will be driven by wants of the elite/Establishment not the needs of the people.
One benefit though was the political demise of Cameron and Osbourne, that said it appears despite May's rhetoric it's business as usual with the Tories.
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Re: An open letter to Mr Farage and his apologists
[Re: barnacle]
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09/03/2017 17:51
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Oh, those ones.
Presumably, as we haven't left the EU yet, it must've happened under their watch, so they're not exactly protecting your rights now are they.
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Re: An open letter to Mr Farage and his apologists
[Re: barnacle]
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09/03/2017 18:07
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I believe they have but one can only imagine how it will get much worse with no HRA, or ECJ to turn to, please don't fret though I am sure the Tories will put the correct spin on it to sell it as a positive thing for the UK to have all of the above and more and great for John Bull's Britain!
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Re: An open letter to Mr Farage and his apologists
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09/03/2017 19:32
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So you're complaining about things that haven't happened and may possibly not happen.
I hate it when it rains next Wednesday too.
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Re: An open letter to Mr Farage and his apologists
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09/03/2017 20:23
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Re: An open letter to Mr Farage and his apologists
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09/03/2017 20:31
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Did you notice Tony B-liar in London today at the unveiling.......surprised he dared to show his face. Eh lad, bring back the labour , with red leftie still living in the 70s leading the party , maybe Scargill could take up politics and be his no2 !! One out, everybody out .
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Re: An open letter to Mr Farage and his apologists
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09/03/2017 20:53
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For that type of optimism read fascism
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Re: An open letter to Mr Farage and his apologists
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09/03/2017 21:28
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And there, in a nutshell, is why the remain campaign lost.
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Re: An open letter to Mr Farage and his apologists
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09/03/2017 22:08
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And there, in a nutshell, is why the remain campaign lost. Really? I think it was mainly down to complacency among the establishment and lies by the Leave campaign that captured the imagination and votes of people desperately seeking something to believe in. Farage and Trump both understand the value of propaganda and the relative lack of value of truth. There are many people who have well-thought out and valid reasons for voting Leave, but if anyone thinks that they are what led to a majority, then that, in a nutshell, is why the vote for Brexit appears deeply depressing to "remoaners".
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Re: An open letter to Mr Farage and his apologists
[Re: barnacle]
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09/03/2017 22:33
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Yes, really. But it's a moot point.
Moaning is a brit (English?) pastime and they'll be a hell of a lot more of it before the dust settles.
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Re: An open letter to Mr Farage and his apologists
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13/03/2017 10:37
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I'm in a similar position to you Guzbod, except across one more border from the UK and I agree with almost everything you allude to. Only, if we live abroad, we don't pay taxes in the UK but in our chosen home, right? We are usually allowed to vote in the UK but were singled out from voting in the last referendum, the result of which actually affects us whereas general election results affect us much less.
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Re: An open letter to Mr Farage and his apologists
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14/03/2017 17:10
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We are happy to sell to anyone (and may even buy from them) but we don't want to live next door to them or meet them in the pub ... We actually need an influx of younger people in nations with stagnant populations and desires for economic growth. Most are an essential contributing part of the economy but are being labelled as the cause of all ills that have befallen a basically poorly governed country. Fewer will want to come now anyway. Remove the rest and wait for everything to magically turn to gold
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Re: An open letter to Mr Farage and his apologists
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14/03/2017 22:14
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The EU gave everyone on this Island freedom to move anywhere in Europe to seek new opportunities or just take a chance of a different life. This is the opportunity many eastern Europeans and indeed many Brits took, indeed several people on this forum are in this group.
Brexit is phase one of getting the average bod back in their box, and we voted for it.
The booming UK property market made it possible for many Brits to realise their property asset and seek a new life in a cheaper part of Europe. Never before had working bods had such a freedom, the chance to take a different direction even retire to the sun. We were protected by freedom of movement rules and basic healthcare. After Brexit most Brits won't be able to follow this path any more.
Wealthy folks will be able meet the criteria for citizenship that will apply to non-EU citizens. These often require a 500K Euro property investment and a similar level in savings. Aye, we bods all have the opportunity to realise a Million Euro's don't we!
The only funny thing is that many of the bods who voted out are yet to fully realise that Brexit has killed their dream of a retirement in the sun. Quite sad that I'll derive a degree of schadenfreude as reality kicks and they realise they'll probably be stuck in their semi for the rest of their lives, or at least until they have to sell it to pay for healthcare costs!
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Re: An open letter to Mr Farage and his apologists
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14/03/2017 23:21
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It's funny that the people who voted out did it mainly because of the 'lies' spread by the Leave campaign and the desire to prevent immigration.
I voted 'leave,' yet my personal view is that the number of immigrants has been of huge benefit to our country for the past few decades. As for the lies from the Leave side, it's laughable that a supporter of either cause could raise this as an argument. The whole campaign (from both sides) was littered with inaccuracies, lies and unsubstantiated 'evidence.'
I was 50/50 until pretty much the day before the referendum as to which way I was going to vote and then I heard someone trotting out a line about the 'markets.' It was a pathetic suggestion - we should base our country's future upon the worry that the market traders would quickly sell shares, stocks, bonds etc in a mad panic, leading to a market crash? The fact that our country has become completely reliant on an industry which produces nothing and contributes nothing to society, when the governing party systematically destroyed the manufacturing industry over many years is gut-wrenching.
The majority of people (in my opinion) who voted to leave, were not basing their judgement on the absolute crap spouted by politicians, nor purely on immigration - sorry to all those who think the Daily Mail actually influence the population - but because of a political ideal that perhaps we can stand on our own two feet. It may be misplaced, it may backfire spectacularly, but so far it's not been the war-inducing catalyst which the Remain campaign suggested (sorry, I forgot that the lies and myths only came from those on the leave side). In fact, Call Me Dave has gone, Gideon Osborne has been taken away from the money chest, Michael Gove is ruined and Boris is on the way to well-deserved international ridicule, so overall not too bad really.
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Re: An open letter to Mr Farage and his apologists
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15/03/2017 07:38
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From memory, most areas of Scotland voted to stay in the UK. Dear old Nicola's supporters mainly lived in the two major cities of Glasgow and Edinburgh, so how she reckons ' scotland ' is behind her baffles me. Best thing for Nicola..... .......do us all a favour, so no more of that whinging mare every day in the news !
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Re: An open letter to Mr Farage and his apologists
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15/03/2017 07:57
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......and if scotland left the uk, team GB would gain hardly any medals at the next olympics !
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Re: An open letter to Mr Farage and his apologists
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15/03/2017 09:40
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......and if scotland left the uk, team GB would gain hardly any medals at the next olympics ! Any evidence for that? Everything I have seen suggests otherwise.
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Re: An open letter to Mr Farage and his apologists
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15/03/2017 11:26
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2012 London Edit Medal Name[2][3] Sport Event Gold Andy Murray Tennis Men's singles Gold Chris Hoy Track cycling Men's team sprint Gold Chris Hoy Track cycling Men's keirin Gold Heather Stanning Rowing Women's coxless pair Gold Katherine Grainger Rowing Women's double sculls Gold Scott Brash Equestrian Team jumping Gold Timothy Baillie Canoe slalom Men's C-2 team Silver Andy Murray Tennis Mixed doubles Silver David Florence Canoe slalom Men's C-2 team Silver Luke Patience Sailing Men's 470 Silver Michael Jamieson Swimming Men's 200 metres breaststroke Bronze Daniel Purvis Artistic gymnastics Men's team all-round Bronze Laura Bartlett Field hockey Women's tournament Bronze Emily Maguire Field hockey Women's tournament 2016 Rio Edit Medal Name Sport Event Gold Andy Murray Tennis Men's singles Gold Callum Skinner Track cycling Men's team sprint Gold Heather Stanning Rowing Women's coxless pair Gold Katie Archibald Track cycling Women's team pursuit Silver Daniel Wallace Swimming Men's 4×200 metre freestyle relay Silver Duncan Scott Swimming Men's 4×200 metre freestyle relay Silver Robert Renwick[note 1] Swimming Men's 4×200 metres freestyle relay Silver Stephen Milne Swimming Men's 4×200 metre freestyle relay Silver Duncan Scott Swimming Men's 4×100 metre medley relay Silver Katherine Grainger Rowing Women's double sculls Silver David Florence Canoe slalom Men's C–2 team Silver Mark Bennett Rugby sevens Men's tournament Silver Mark Robertson Rugby sevens Men's tournament Silver Callum Skinner Track cycling Men's individual sprint Silver Karen Bennett Rowing Women's eights Silver Polly Swann Rowing Women's eights Bronze Sally Conway Judo Women's –70 kilograms Bronze Eilidh Doyle Athletics Women's 4 × 400 metres relay
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Re: An open letter to Mr Farage and his apologists
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15/03/2017 11:48
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So in 2012, Scotland won 7 G, 4 S, 3 B And in 2016, Scotland won 4 G, 12 S, 2 B
Out of a total for GB in 2012 of 29 G, 17 S, 19 B And in 2016 the GB total was 27 G, 23 S, 17 B
So percent of GB medals won by Scotland in 2012 24% G, 24% S, 16% B in 2016 15% G, 52% S, 12% B
GB without Scotland would have won the following in 2012 22 G, 13 S, 16 B in 2016 23 G, 11 S, 15 B
...which is not "hardly any medals"
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